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Healthcare question for Christians

WWJD?

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The silenced majority said:
To hold that view, one must already have come to the conclusion that those who seek to provide universal healthcare have the best interest of "the people" in mind.
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Who's interest does the government have in mind by providing a health care plan for what is mostly for poor people? I'm not debating whether the miracle Jesus actually support it literally. Just whether or not the guy named Jesus who said a lot of things about loving man kind would support a plan like this.
 
Honestly Disneydude? How is clothing the naked, and healing the sick yourself the same as putting a gun to someone else's head to make them do it?
 
In Matt 19:21 Jesus said "if you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor and you shall have treasure in heaven.

This was the reply Jesus gave to a young rich man who had asked him how to gain eternal life. Earlier Jesus had said to follow the commandments and the young man had said that he had followed them, then this advice. Give every thing to the poor??? The young man went away in despair.

Then Jesus remarked the well known saying about the rich man and the camel and the eye of the needle.

The meaning is clear, It will be the putting of money before helping the poor that will be your ticket to hell.

This passage is the one that put me at odds with most modern mainstream Christians and their seeming love of amassing wealth. It is right there as plain as day, worrying more about your money than the welfare of your fellow man puts your soul at peril.

Jesus said some pretty liberal things that are just ignored in our rush to accumulate the biggest pile but I never saw a hearse with a luggage rack, in the end all you have are the deeds you must answer for.
 
Jesus believes the same way as I do. Duh. :roll:

This thread is exhibit A for why you don't mix religion and politics.
 
Jesus told the RICH man to give away his possesions. He didn't tell the man next to him to take the rich man's things. Jesus realized that while God offered his outstretched hand to anyone, only they alone could reach back. You can't force altruism.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
Jesus told the RICH man to give away his possesions. He didn't tell the man next to him to take the rich man's things. Jesus realized that while God offered his outstretched hand to anyone, only they alone could reach back. You can't force altruism.
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The question was WWJD? and there it is, he would take every penny out of his pocket and give it to the poor or sick.
 
That isn't Universal Health Care. Actual charity is taking money from your own pocket, and giving it to someone in need, at your own free will. This plan will take money from some against their own free will and give to others. That isn't charity. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul.
 
So you can force altruism? You can force goodness from the inner soul of men with taxation? That's quite a feat. Not even God can do that.
 
"Give unto Caeser what is Caeser's, and give unto God what is God's"

I'll get back to this tomarrow
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
So you can force altruism? You can force goodness from the inner soul of men with taxation? That's quite a feat. Not even God can do that.
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Jesus also said on taxation "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and what is God's unto God." Once again, Money is not important when your soul is at stake. Someone also said that you can't take it with you.
 
DrunkenAsparagus said:
"Give unto Caeser what is Caeser's, and give unto God what is God's"

I'll get back to this tomarrow
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How exactly is the passage supposed to help your argument? Are you replying to my comment on tithes? What do you think a tithe was for before the invention of the mega-church? It was basically a poor tax.

When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the Lord your God.

Lev 23:22
 
Voted other.

Jesus would hang out with a bunch of hookers and tax collectors and homeless folk, and such, heal a bunch of people, preach at a bunch of people, tell his friends off for sh!t they hadn't done yet, then get himself killed.

After a few days of R&R in the grave, he would get up rested and rejuvenated then take off, chuckling to himself over the stupid wars, inquisitions, and online debates that would occur in his name over the next couple of thousand years.
 
Joe1991 said:
I'd like to think he'd heal all the sick so I could spend my money on blow and hookers.



...I have a dream.
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:rofl this was hilarious
 
Thanks to the OP for an interesting thread.

Cain asked, "Am I my brother’s keeper?" (Gen. 4:9). Was Jesus Christ His brother’s keeper? Did Jesus take care of His brothers who were in need of clothes, food or shelter? Did He come to the aid of widows in distress? Was He a father to the orphan? Did He give to the poor (John 13:29)? Yes! Jesus was His brother’s keeper.

15. Am I my brother's keeper?

Obviously Jesus would give to the sick, nor would he be happy with anyone not giving to the sick.
Would he thus support taxation to this end? Even if this impeded freedom? Absolutely.
Jesus was not an advocate of freedom to do as thou wilt, but to do as God wants for his children, the practice of love.

Taxation by the government to give not to the sick rich who don't need it but to the sick poor who do is a perfect example of the love that Jesus preached - even if this impedes your freedom to spend that extra dollar how you wished and even if this government project never makes a dime in profit.

You all know this. Those who dont are simply twisting Jesus's message for their own ends.

You all know that at the end of your life when you stand before God, he will not be happy with you with holding your support on the basis that you only want to help out you and yours.

Moreover the claims about freedom are false, since as Jesus will point out to you at the end, you didnt mind being forced to pay for guns and bombs so how how can you be so strident against being forced to pay for another man's health?
 
disneydude said:
This is a question for Christians:

WWJD?

Would Jesus support a UHC plan or would he feel that healthcare should be portioned out based on an individuals ability to pay?
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Jesus would tell us that its all in God's plan.

If we die, we die because god said it was our time, healthcare is evil.

:mrgreen:

The lord is my shepherd, I shall not want (healthcare).
 
In order to believe that Jesus would want a huge Government to "help" the people, one must suspend skepticism that those in Government house have the best interest of "the people" in mind.
 
The silenced majority said:
In order to believe that Jesus would want a huge Government to "help" the people, one must suspend skepticism that those in Government house have the best interest of "the people" in mind.
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Who's interests do you think they have in mind? I'm curious.
 
disneydude said:
I would have to disagree. Based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and based on the examples of his life, I have a hard time believing that he would feel that a "for-profit" insurance based healthcare system that provides treatment based on ability to pay would have been something that he would have ever advocated for.
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Then you don't know much about what the Bible teaches about Jesus.

Please point out where Jesus got involved in Roman politics or any politics for that matter? Oh you can't because he did not. Since this is political issue he would not have gotten involved, period.

He did do faith healing, and advocated it. So he would not be for any system at all.

You even use Christ for your political hackery.

Shame on you.
 
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disneydude said:
This is a question for Christians:
WWJD?
Would Jesus support a UHC plan or would he feel that healthcare should be portioned out based on an individuals ability to pay?
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The Christian value of charity must be taken up voluntary.
 
angrycarpenter said:
The question was WWJD? and there it is, he would take every penny out of his pocket and give it to the poor or sick.
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Yes... but He would not take a SINGLE penny out of YOUR pocket and give it to the poor and sick.
 
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