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Thread: Healthcare question for Christians

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Actually, I stated my position. You gave your opinion about how you believe its wrong. You stated your position and I stated in my opinion how I believe its wrong.
    Restating your position doesnt support your position or negate mine. That's all you've done.

    Unless you can describe the error in my position, you will contine to be wrong.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    There really is no right or wrong in a discussion like this.
    Of course there is. An interpretation is consistent with the facts or it is not. Opinions can be wrong.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Restating your position doesnt support your position or negate mine. That's all you've done.

    Unless you can describe the error in my position, you will contine to be wrong.
    I stated the error in your position is that we don't live in a dictatorship so the action of individually going to the polls or town halls and establishing safetynets through the institutions of government is no different than any other actions we take.

    You disagree with that. Certainly you see the difference in arguing actual events / policy, and the philosophy one bases their beliefs in.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    There really is no right or wrong in a discussion like this.
    Sure there is.
    An opinion - "I like ice cream" - cannot be wrong.
    A position taken on a side of an issue - which is what we have here - can be.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    I stated the error in your position is that we don't live in a dictatorship so the action of individually going to the polls or town halls and establishing safetynets through the institutions of government is no different than any other actions we take.
    That's not an error in my position as my position doesnt have anything to do with that. Non-sequitur.

    So, we're back to you describing the error in my position, else you will contine to be wrong.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Laborers in the Vineyard

    1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is a householder, which went out early in the morning to hire laborers into his vineyard.
    2 And when he had agreed with the laborers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
    3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the market place,
    4 and said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
    5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
    6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
    7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
    8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the laborers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
    9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
    10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
    11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
    12 saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
    13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
    14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
    15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?
    16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    The question was WWJD? and there it is, he would take every penny out of his pocket and give it to the poor or sick.
    How many pennies have you taken out of your pocket?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    After all, most of our safety nets that came about in the first half of the 20th Century originated with the Social Gospel Christian Movement so the argument I made is not exactly controversial within Christianity.
    I give you credit for being one of the few who will admit that modern liberalism stems from seeking to implement Christian tenets into law.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    In certain circumstances it is most definitely. We had a little thing called the Revolutionary war over just that.

    The only hyperbole here is your statement.
    We didn't have a war over taxation itself we had a war over among other things, what people considered to be taxation without representation. Do you feel that you are not being represented in our government? Do you not have politicians representing you and your neighbors in Congress?

    Hyperbole indeed.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I give you credit for being one of the few who will admit that modern liberalism stems from seeking to implement Christian tenets into law.
    One must then ask how that gets past the Establishment clause.

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