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Thread: Healthcare question for Christians

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No, I am not saying that you should vote to compel adherence to your moral beliefs. For example, you can't force someone not to lie or not to sleep around on their spouse. Those are choices that they have to make.
    Yes, you are, especially in this context of providing health care.

    To help someone is a moral choice, and individual one. It's a proactive decision.

    You argue that Christians are obligated to vote to force someone to make that choice.


    However, at the same time you are also to pursue compassion and justice in your actions. You do this in your individual actions, in your communities, and in the voting booth. As I stated earlier, you cannot use the government to endorse, promote, or compel adherence to your specific religious beliefs. However, your actions in the voting booth and at the town hall can and should be reflective of your beliefs and conscience.

    For example, in a representative democracy, if your government that represents and and that you elect was engaging in genocide, you could not say that well the bible only talks about what I do individually and my voting and my petitioning of my government is excluded from that.
    This bolsters my point.

    If your country is committing genocide, and you have a say in it, your vote to support it represents an individual moral act on your part. You're putting your personal approval on something which is against the teachings of Jesus.

    If you did nothing to support it and indeed try to save people, then your government's actions have no moral weight on your soul.

    If you vote to impose your own views on others, then that, too, is putting your approval on something against the teachings of Jesus. You're not dusting off your sandals; you're imposing your will by the sword.

    So yes, you are imposing your religion on others by forcing them to act according to your beliefs.


    That is just not how it works. We are all to pursue justice and compassion in all of our actions.
    This presupposes that putting anyone under the authority of anyone except God -- whether a dictator, or those by elected majority -- is God's idea of "justice" and "compassion." I don't find any support for that in Jesus's teachings.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So should we eliminate the fire department and ambulance that tax dollars pay for and aid the sick and poor?
    No one said this. The position is very simple, Jesus didn't advocate people being forced to help the sick and poor.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So should we eliminate the fire department and ambulance that tax dollars pay for and aid the sick and poor?
    Non-sequitur.
    Has nothing to do with what I said or the issue at hand.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So should we eliminate the fire department and ambulance that tax dollars pay for and aid the sick and poor?
    That is funded by state and local taxes, not federal.

    Does not apply and is considered a fallacy.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    That is funded by state and local taxes, not federal.

    Does not apply and is considered a fallacy.
    No, it's still forcing people to support the FD and emergency services through taxation.

    What's the fallacy, though, is that discussing "what Jesus would do" is not the same thing as actually arguing for or against anything. It's simply a discussion of what Jesus would do.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Non-sequitur.
    Has nothing to do with what I said or the issue at hand.
    You are advocating that people should not be forced to help the sick and poor. Ambulance services certainly do help the sick and poor via tax dollars.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What's the fallacy, though, is that discussing "what Jesus would do" is not the same thing as actually arguing for or against anything. It's simply a discussion of what Jesus would do.
    Agreed.......I just had the question.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This is a question for Christians:

    WWJD?

    Would Jesus support a UHC plan or would he feel that healthcare should be portioned out based on an individuals ability to pay?
    Christ was about voluntary charity, not state sponsored theft of wages.

    Universal health-care is not voluntary nor is it charity.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    You are advocating that people should not be forced to help the sick and poor. Ambulance services certainly do help the sick and poor via tax dollars.
    No. I am not.
    Please consider the context in which this duscussion takes place.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What's the fallacy, though, is that discussing "what Jesus would do" is not the same thing as actually arguing for or against anything. It's simply a discussion of what Jesus would do.
    ...based on the assumption that He would follow His own teachings.
    Right.

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