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Thread: Healthcare question for Christians

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Maybe you can tell us which Christian values the government should and shouldn't reflect in it's business.
    The conversation here revolves around the idea that Christians should force their teachings on others by supporting UHC.

    When Christians try to force their teachings on others by supporting laws that deny same-sex marriages, there's a big stink.

    Can't have it both ways.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Maybe you can tell us which Christian values the government should and shouldn't reflect in it's business. I am not suggesting a theocracy, there are values common to every faith on earth that seem to get left by the wayside when there is money to made. Should the government not reflect our collective desire to help the poor and the sick?
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    So people choose to pay taxes?
    In a representative democracy, they do indeed collectively choose to pay taxes. If the majority of the individuals in a society decide that they should not pay taxes, then they can petition their government and elect representatives that share their views. Its why some states have state income taxes and others do not for example.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Taxes shouldn't be a choice.
    When di I say that I thought that. I just said that taxes aren't charity

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    Should the government not reflect our collective desire to help the poor and the sick?
    Yes it should.

    That is, providing that the collective desire IS to help the poor and sick.

    But there seems to be a rather large "sticking point" on the issue...

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Yes it should.

    That is, providing that the collective desire IS to help the poor and sick.

    But there seems to be a rather large "sticking point" on the issue...
    And I'd like to add not all that want help the poor and sick are religious.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    If that's our collective desire, that's one thing. That's not the same as we should do it, because you think Jesus wants you to

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    Yes it should.
    That is, providing that the collective desire IS to help the poor and sick.
    But there seems to be a rather large "sticking point" on the issue...
    That forcing others to follow the tenets of Christianity isnt a tenet of Christianity, and doing so violates the secular nature of our government?

    Yes. And those points arent minor.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You don't understand.

    The Christian virtue of helping others is derived from the fact that -you- have -chosen- to give up part of -yourself- to improve someone's life.

    That's the example set at the crucifixtion.

    Forcing others toi help? Not the same.
    Beinng forced to hel? Not the same.
    I still don't understand the concept you use of feeling "forced".

    And I'm still left wondering why it doesn't come natural to want to help others... and why anyone would feel forced... by helping others... which is the rather "benevolent" and "kind" thing to do. Doesn't that come naturally to Christians? Or God, am I that naive and altruistic about Christians...

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    I still don't understand the concept you use of feeling "forced".
    Not sure why, as it seems pretty clear to me.

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