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Thread: Healthcare question for Christians

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by angrycarpenter View Post
    What if the example of Christ's compassion was expanded to a society rather than just the individual?
    Christianity is all about the individual, and the consequences of his actions. Each of uis is responsible for what we do, not what others do.
    Any expansion to this effect to a societal level is a function thereof.

    Why do so many Christians seem to be on the side of abandoning the poor to suffer?
    Show that they do.

    Why haven't Christians demanded an end to a system that leaves so many out in the cold?
    Christians act independently of the system, and do not care what the system is.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Wasn't it Liberals screaming about seperation of church and state with Bush?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    You could be forced to help others. Someone could put a gun to my head to make me help you with your problems, but that wouldn't be altruism. God wants help that is done from the bottome of one's heart not the barrel of a gun
    No one is putting a gun to your head. There is no barrel of a gun. Your metaphors are bizarre / extreme and don't help at all.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Of course it includes society. That is the problem with their attempts to compartmentalize God. Society is not a separate entity. Its merely the collective group of individuals. Thus if a society is composed of Christians it should reflect the same values collectively that Christians should reflect individually.
    The only thing you can take from this is that the "need" for UHC illustrates that the US is NOT Christian society to the point were enough people give to charity to meet the needs of the old and sick.

    It does nothing to bolster the position that Christians, as part of a basic tenet of their faith, should force other people to provide for the sick and poor.
    Last edited by Goobieman; 08-14-09 at 12:16 PM.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Gwendoline View Post
    No one is putting a gun to your head. There is no barrel of a gun. Your metaphors are bizarre / extreme and don't help at all.
    So people choose to pay taxes?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    So people choose to pay taxes?
    Taxes shouldn't be a choice.


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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Wasn't it Liberals screaming about seperation of church and state with Bush?
    Yes.
    And this point usually comes up in this convesation:
    A law that forces all people to adhere to the tenets of a religion necessarily violates the Constitution.

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Wasn't it Liberals screaming about seperation of church and state with Bush?
    Maybe you can tell us which Christian values the government should and shouldn't reflect in it's business. I am not suggesting a theocracy, there are values common to every faith on earth that seem to get left by the wayside when there is money to made. Should the government not reflect our collective desire to help the poor and the sick?

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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Wasn't it Liberals screaming about seperation of church and state with Bush?
    A separation of Church and State means that the government and it's institution's cannot be used to endorse, promote, or compel adherence to religious beliefs.

    It does not mean that the government's actions should not reflect the conscience and beliefs of the people it represents.

    For example, I can't use the government to promote religious belief by having a government lead daily call to prayer. However, I can certainly say through my actions at the voting booth and and when I petition those that represent me that my government should pursue peace and justice in its dealings with other nations just like I should pursue peace and justice in my dealings with other individuals.
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    Re: Healthcare question for Christians

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    A separation of Church and State means that the government and it's institution's cannot be used to endorse, promote, or compel adherence to religious beliefs.

    It does not mean that the government's actions should not reflect the conscience and beliefs of the people it represents.

    For example, I can't use the government to promote religious belief by having a government lead daily call to prayer. However, I can certainly say through my actions at the voting booth and and when I petition those that represent me that my government should pursue peace and justice in its dealings with other nations just like I should pursue peace and justice in my dealings with other individuals.
    I'm going to shut up and let you talk we keep saying the same thing only you say it so much better.

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