View Poll Results: What are the health care reform protests largely based on?

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Thread: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Actually, under the new bill proposed, doctors would make more on Medicare cases than they now do.
    Some would. There's $245 Billion embedded in the bill to bump up reimbursement rates for rural doc. There's another $230 Billion of "savings" by curtailing future re-imbursement rates.

    Basically, doctors get a bit of candy today, but no candy for the next 10 years. That only works if the doc is a five year old.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is what I gather from your argument. That uninsured persons cost us (both private and public) billions a year. My argument is this will not change.
    The costs will decrease because doctors can take cheaper routes, rather than having a dictated protocol they must adhere to in order to satisfy the insurance companies, people will be able to have preventative medicine that is now lacking and this will save over the longterm as maladies will be caught earlier, and the government will have the ability to negotiate pricing. The last will be a big saver, as the government currently pays out whatever pharmacy companies ask for, rather than having the ability to negotiate drug prices as other countries are able to do.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Some would. There's $245 Billion embedded in the bill to bump up reimbursement rates for rural doc. There's another $230 Billion of "savings" by curtailing future re-imbursement rates.

    Basically, doctors get a bit of candy today, but no candy for the next 10 years. That only works if the doc is a five year old.
    Yes and no. One must remember that doctors will have many more patients and actually get paid for everyone of them. The major thing lacking, that I think would have doctors jumping on board for this bill, is tort reform. If the government would enable doctors to practice medicine without the extreme costs of malpractice insurance, they would flock in mass to this bill.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The costs will decrease because doctors can take cheaper routes, rather than having a dictated protocol they must adhere to in order to satisfy the insurance companies, people will be able to have preventative medicine that is now lacking and this will save over the longterm as maladies will be caught earlier, and the government will have the ability to negotiate pricing. The last will be a big saver, as the government currently pays out whatever pharmacy companies ask for, rather than having the ability to negotiate drug prices as other countries are able to do.
    The government would have to force the medical community to accept lower prices. As it is now they cannot and as you will find many hospitals will refuse to treat those on government programs because of the low cost the government is willing to pay.

    I am curious for both sides. Anyone have any hard facts on the amount spent on individuals for health care annually in the US vs national health care systems? I am willing to bet it is higher per person in national health care nations that do not cap wages/costs.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    It seems like many protesters of the health care reform bill are doing so because they are misinformed, or they are given no information at all.
    I suspect that many of the protesters are the ones disseminating the misinformation.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are basically saying that, "We are going to add more people to the system and it's going to save us money."
    That is the base assertion of the proponents of government health care.
    You should find something more productive to do than beating up a straw man.
    Last edited by Whip Comes Down; 08-11-09 at 11:26 AM.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    The government would have to force the medical community to accept lower prices. As it is now they cannot and as you will find many hospitals will refuse to treat those on government programs because of the low cost the government is willing to pay.

    I am curious for both sides. Anyone have any hard facts on the amount spent on individuals for health care annually in the US vs national health care systems? I am willing to bet it is higher per person in national health care nations that do not cap wages/costs.
    Here you go:

    Compare International Medical Bills : NPR

    In the U.S. the average cost of healthcare per person is $6,402 and in the UK it is $2723. Japan-$2,358, Switzerland-$4,177, France-$3,374, Germany-$3,673, Netherlands-$3,580. The U.S. is by far the most expensive. The thing to note is that our population is much much greater than any of these nations, thus the pool is tremendously bigger. I should think that should surely equal far less expense overall.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Here you go:

    Compare International Medical Bills : NPR

    In the U.S. the average cost of healthcare per person is $6,402 and in the UK it is $2723. Japan-$2,358, Switzerland-$4,177, France-$3,374, Germany-$3,673, Netherlands-$3,580. The U.S. is by far the most expensive. The thing to note is that our population is much much greater than any of these nations, thus the pool is tremendously bigger. I should think that should surely equal far less expense overall.
    Let us not forget one other golden rule of our system; costs rise faster than inflation, and that is the way it has been now for years with absolutely zero indication it will reverse itself. So the interesting question would be to compare projections for the next decade.

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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    The thing to note is that our population is much much greater than any of these nations, thus the pool is tremendously bigger.
    Er when taking per capita it eliminates the whole population thing..
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    Re: Health Care Protests Based On Misinformation?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Er when taking per capita it eliminates the whole population thing..
    I was referring to if all people in the U.S. were put under a government plan, all one pool, rather than having some pay tremendously more than others and there being an average that is more than likely, actually higher per insured person.

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