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Mass shootings are more likely at...

Where is it most likely for there to be a mass shooting

  • Police station

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • National guard base

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Gun show

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • NRA national matches

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    32

There are gun nuts, nascar nuts, soccer nuts, fly fishing nuts (there's a sport you can spend gazillions of dollars on that's about as practical as a tutu on a boar), golf nuts (ugh), football nuts (and I do mean nuts!), and so on. People get passionate about things they value.

I think it is more rational to be passionate about the right to keep and bear arms, than 95% of the things that most people go nuts over. It is a right that is vital to maintaining a free society, second only in importance to the 1st Amendment freedoms of speech/assembly/association/religion/press. It is a right that is statistically shown to aid in the protection of the innocent against the criminal. It is the difference between a citizen and a serf, historically.

Any cause, however worthy, has some proponents who maybe go a little overboard...in the case of football, lots of proponents who go WAY overboard. :mrgreen:
A silver tongue on the part of supporters is not an indicator of the value of a cause, nor is an excess of passion about it necessarily a contra-indication of value.

There are many of us who are quick to leap to the support or defense of the 2A in any sense where it is an issue, and perhaps sometimes we suffer from an excess of zeal...but this is because many of us firmly believe in the value of it. As Barry Goldwater said, "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Mao Tse Tung said "all political power grows from the barrel of a gun." I'd reverse that and say that so does Liberty, through the power of the armed citizenry: because an armed citizenry can only be pushed so far by their government.

So I hereby declare today to be Hug a Gun Nut Day, and tell them how much you appreciate the fact that their existence helps keep your government at least somewhat in check. :mrgreen:
 
It is a right that is vital to maintaining a free society

I disagree with this statement. I do not think that is true in this country any more.
 
I disagree with this statement. I do not think that is true in this country any more.


May you never have to find out otherwise.
 
You're right. Repeating it doesn't make it true. The fact that it's true is what makes it true.
Yes, keep thnking that.
:roll:
 
I don't understand people that single out one right in the constitution and act as if the entire war of independence was fought over that one right alone and that the war is still being fought over that one right today. :shrug:
Wow.. talk about strawmen!
 
Wow.. talk about strawmen!

You might be accurate if I had used that statement as an opposition to your transparently dishonest "gotcha" poll. However, it was a statement to another poster about a different, albeit related, side conversation.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with terms like you just used before you find yourself misapplying them again.
 
I disagree with this statement. I do not think that is true in this country any more.

I respectfully submit that I believe you are mistaken. Gun rights are necessary. Our country came about as a result of citizen soldiers: farmers, merchants, tradesmen, who took up arms and fought for their liberties. And, that's why our founding fathers encoded protections of that right into our bill of rights: In case tyrants once again claimed power in the U.S.
 
It's funny how the shooter is never pissed at anyone that can shoot back.

Then let's start handing out handguns to students on the first day of school. Everyone will definitely be safer.
 
Where do you think it is most likely for there to be a mass shooting?
.

A tea party or town hall meeting.


What, with so many of them packing and all.
 
I respectfully submit that I believe you are mistaken. Gun rights are necessary. Our country came about as a result of citizen soldiers: farmers, merchants, tradesmen, who took up arms and fought for their liberties. And, that's why our founding fathers encoded protections of that right into our bill of rights: In case tyrants once again claimed power in the U.S.

You are mistaking what I said. I support gun rights. To me the argument begins and ends with "people have a right to own guns". No need for statistics, or worrying about whether guns are good or bad. The right is there, and that should not change.

What I don't think is likely is an armed insurrection. Our government system has worked for well over 200 years now, and it has worked because we don't need to rise up in arms, we can just vote the bastards out.
 
Until you demonstrate something to diminish that fact, I will. :2wave:
Ah -- I wondered how long it would take you to get to your usual "I said it, its up to you to disprove it" stance.

I accept your concession.
 
Ah -- I wondered how long it would take you to get to your usual "I said it, its up to you to disprove it" stance.

I accept your concession.

Ah -- I wondered how long it would take you to get to your usual "Waaa, you aren't playing by the rules I determined so I am just going to claim victory and pat myself on the back" stance.

I accept the humor you have brought to this thread.
 
Ah -- I wondered how long it would take you to get to your usual "Waaa, you aren't playing by the rules I determined so I am just going to claim victory and pat myself on the back" stance.

I accept the humor you have brought to this thread.
And so, you descend to the juvenile.
:roll:
 
What I don't think is likely is an armed insurrection. Our government system has worked for well over 200 years now, and it has worked because we don't need to rise up in arms, we can just vote the bastards out.

Oh, then we are in total agreement. I find it unlikely that armed insurrection will ever be needed. But, just in case, you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. ;)
 
And so, you descend to the juvenile.
:roll:

No, I just pointed out to you how infantile what you just did was. You decided I wasn't capitulating to you fast enough so you just claimed victory (oh yes, goobie, congratulations for winning the interwebz :roll:).

It was funny. Partially for being so predictable and partially for being so...well, childish.

So now, back to the topic. When you can demonstrate your point or at least diminish mine, then we have something to talk about. But so far we have a dishonest poll with a hidden agenda...well it would be hidden if it weren't so transparent. Oh, and I almost forgot; a completely mistaken use of the term "straw man".

I think that just about recaps where we are. Shall we continue or are you done amusing me yet?
 
If more guns in school would make schools safer, Goobie should set up a foundation to hand them out.
 
No, I just pointed out to you how infantile what you just did was.
In your mind, it is infantile to remind you that when you make a claim, its up to you to back it up, not for others to disprove it?

That explains everything. Thanks.
 
If more guns in school would make schools safer, Goobie should set up a foundation to hand them out.
No no no.
When people do not have the means to exercise their rights, its up to the federal government to provide said means.
 
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