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Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

Is opposition to Obama mostly due to his race?

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Personally I have a difficult time believing you took a comment from WR seriously enough to start a poll on it.

The concept that most people pay no attention to the blatant power grabbing policies and resist solely on a racial issue is ludicrous. The issues directly affecting people are more than enough to set them off.
 
akyron said:
Personally I have a difficult time believing you took a comment from WR seriously enough to start a poll on it.

The concept that most people pay no attention to the blatant power grabbing policies and resist solely on a racial issue is ludicrous. The issues directly affecting people are more than enough to set them off.
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Personally, to deny that race is a factor in some anti-Obama opposition (to the first black American President) is just kidding yourself. Now, there can be legitimate argument about the amount of race based opposition & where it's coming from but to deny A NY is just naive, imo.
What you deem as "blatant power grabbing policies" ....I see as saving our economy & HC system, & was begun u nder the prior administration meaning BOTH parties felt it was the right thing to do........UNTIL a Democrat sat in the White House.;).
 
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Devil505 said:
Personally, to deny that race is a factor in some anti-Obama opposition (to the first black American President) is just kidding yourself. Now, there can be legitimate argument about the amount of race based opposition & where it's coming from but to deny A NY is just naive, imo.
What you deem as "blatant power grabbing policies" ....I see as saving our economy & HC system, & was begun u nder the prior administration meaning BOTH parties felt it was the right thing to do........UNTIL a Democrat sat in the White House.;).
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You're right that to deny that there isn't ANY racism in some peoples choice to oppose Obama is "naive". (I'd use a different word myself but...) However to believe that it is a majority is just as naive. I personally have nothing against some form of UHC. The government does have an interest in keeping it's population healthy and serving those that don't have health insurance.

What I don't like is how this bill, in it's current form, is proposed. It is in effect taking our right to choose away.
 
Devil505 said:
Personally, to deny that race is a factor in some anti-Obama opposition (to the first black American President) is just kidding yourself. Now, there can be legitimate argument about the amount of race based opposition & where it's coming from but to deny A NY is just naive, imo.
What you deem as "blatant power grabbing policies" ....I see as saving our economy & HC system, & was begun u nder the prior administration meaning BOTH parties felt it was the right thing to do........UNTIL a Democrat sat in the White House.;).
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first job of a politician is to get re-elected
second job of a politician is to get as much power as possible
1/6th of our economy is quite the ****ing power grab

and it was wrong under bush and it is still wrong under Obamarama
 
Kal'Stang said:
What I don't like is how this bill, in it's current form, is proposed. It is in effect taking our right to choose away.
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There is no final bill proposed yet. Problem with the GOP is they really will be against ANY bill & want to keep the status quo. They are the voice of the insurance & pharmaceutical industries & will be against ANY bill as being bad.

If they really favored HC reform, where were they for the last 8 years when Congress worried about steroid use in baseball & Terry Schiavo.
 
I support HC reform.

I oppose UHC.

That is a simplisitic way of stating my position.
 
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Devil505 said:
There is no final bill proposed yet. Problem with the GOP is they really will be against ANY bill & want to keep the status quo. They are the voice of the insurance & pharmaceutical industries & will be against ANY bill as being bad.

If they really favored HC reform, where were they for the last 8 years when Congress worried about steroid use in baseball & Terry Schiavo.
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What do you think that people should just not talk about it? Or let the current proposed bill pass as is with no question? Stating that there is no final bill proposed yet is basically saying just that. If the current proposed bill was not questioned and railed against politicians will think that the bill is ok as is and have no problem passing it.

It doesn't matter what did/didn't happen in the past. This is what is happening NOW.
 
Devil said:
There is no final bill proposed yet.
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Which is why he said "in its current form" and not "final bill". :2wave:
Devil said:
Personally, to deny that race is a factor in some anti-Obama opposition (to the first black American President) is just kidding yourself. Now, there can be legitimate argument about the amount of race based opposition & where it's coming from but to deny A NY is just naive, imo.
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Key word...SOME not MAJORITY. What you are arguing is that the MAJORITY of Obama opposition is based on race, and that is simply not true.
 
Devil505 said:
What specific HC reforms do you favor & why do you oppose the concept of UHC?
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tort reform
being able to write across state lines
more funding to investigate and prosecute fraud in existing govt programs
 
Kal'Stang said:
What do you think that people should just not talk about it? Or let the current proposed bill pass as is with no question? Stating that there is no final bill proposed yet is basically saying just that. If the current proposed bill was not questioned and railed against politicians will think that the bill is ok as is and have no problem passing it.

It doesn't matter what did/didn't happen in the past. This is what is happening NOW.
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Talking about it is fine. LYING about it is not!
When the public understands the real bill (no death panels, no paying for abortions & no paying for illegal aliens) they support it overwhelmingly.
Come September, when Obama can dispel the GOP lies, HC reform will be passed & this country will be much improved....Despite the GOP!

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BTW....We currently have merciless "Death Panels".........they are populated now with insurance company accountants!
 
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DeeJayH said:
tort reform
being able to write across state lines
more funding to investigate and prosecute fraud in existing govt programs
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I agree with all of those ideas, & so do most Democrats. Problem is, they will do nothing to make HC affordable to every citizen. (those are really just GOP dodges & talking points meant to distract from the real problems)

Do you support not allowing sick people to be covered due to preexisting health problems? (like is now the case)

Do you agree with allowing insurance company accountants to practice medicine without a license? (like is now the case)
 
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Devil505 said:
Talking about it is fine. LYING about it is not!
When the public understands the real bill (no death panels, no paying for abortions & no paying for illegal aliens) they support it overwhelmingly.
Come September, when Obama can dispel the GOP lies, HC reform will be passed & this country will be much improved....Despite the GOP!

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BTW....We currently have merciless "Death Panels".........they are populated now with insurance company accountants!
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The words "death panel" is an exageration. However there will be limits set. Or "rationing". Weather it is in the bill or not, there will be. For the simple fact that no government in the entire world can sustain unlimited resource use. It will be in the governments best interest to give the best care to those that will have a chance at contributing more.

Also why do you say the part in bold? Couldn't he have done that already? Why wait till September? I've been wondering why the Democrats haven't put together the "list of lies" that is being bandied about and gone on national television to refute every single one.
 
Devil505 said:
I agree with all of those ideas, & so do most Democrats. Problem is, they will do nothing to make HC affordable to every citizen. (those are really just GOP dodges & talking points meant to distract from the real problems)

Do you support not allowing sick people to be covered due to preexisting health problems? (like is now the case)

Do you agree with allowing insurance company accountants to practice medicine without a license? (like is now the case)
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your post would have been +1000 if you left out hte first set of parenthesis (douchey ****ing move)
my fathers policy was quite excellent and he doesnt pay a dime for it. came with da job

I am currently one screwed by pre-existing conditions
 
Devil505 said:
What specific HC reforms do you favor & why do you oppose the concept of UHC?
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Well, I stated it simplistically because I didn't feel like going into it at this time.

Also, because I am not sure myself of all the reasons I have for these positions.

Some HC reforms I would like to see:

Reforms directed at reducing or eliminating frivolous and unneeded lawsuits which tie up the time of medical personnel and are a draw on their funds.

Reformation of insurance laws throughout the country, so no matter where someone lives, they have access to competitive, quality medical insurance.

Reasons I personally think UHC is a bad idea:

Stories I read and hear about poor quality and/or delayed care in countries which have UHC.

The conflict of interest involved in a government being responsible both for determining what medical funds are allocated where, and drawing monies out of their voters to pay for such.

More thoughts later.
 
Kal'Stang said:
The words "death panel" is an exageration. However there will be limits set. Or "rationing". Weather it is in the bill or not, there will be. For the simple fact that no government in the entire world can sustain unlimited resource use. It will be in the governments best interest to give the best care to those that will have a chance at contributing more.
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I diagree with your opinion. I think it can be done.

Kal'Stang said:
Also why do you say the part in bold? Couldn't he have done that already? Why wait till September? I've been wondering why the Democrats haven't put together the "list of lies" that is being bandied about and gone on national television to refute every single one.
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I agree that the presenting of the HC Reform programs could have been handled better & sooner.
The GOP machine has always been better at spreading fear & lies than the Dems are at getting the truth out.;)

When the summer recess is over, those problems will be taken care of & Obama's HC Reform (final version) will have vast majority voter support in the country. (probably will not get a single GOP Congressional vote however....but then again........who really listens to the GOP anymore anyway!):lol:
 
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Devil505 said:
I disagree with your opinion. I think it can be done.
I agree that the presenting of the HC Reform programs could have been handled better & sooner.
The GOP machine has always been better at spreading fear & lies than the Dems are at getting the truth out.;)

When the summer recess is over, those problems will be taken care of & Obama's HC Reform (final version) will have vast majority voter support in the country. (probably will not get a single GOP Congressional vote however)
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I think it would have been more accurate to say: "Politicians and political parties have always been better at spreading fear and lies than getting the truth out".
 
Devil505 said:
I diagree with your opinion. I think it can be done.
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of course they are promising you your wet dream, but it is actually a rusty razor blade

Devil505 said:
I agree that the presenting of the HC Reform programs could have been handled better & sooner.
The GOP machine has always been better at spreading fear & lies than the Dems are at getting the truth out.;)

When the summer recess is over, those problems will be taken care of & Obama's HC Reform (final version) will have vast majority voter support in the country. (probably will not get a single GOP Congressional vote however....but then again........who really listens to the GOP anymore anyway!):lol:
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NEWSFLASH: Dear Leader wanted it signed before they went on vacation
they will never get info out because they more people actually learn about the truth, the more support he loses
 
Devil505 said:
I disagree with your opinion. I think it can be done.
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This seems to be a recurring theme (in all two threads I noted it) on your part.
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Devil505: I think X would be a good idea.

Opposing poster: It wouldn't work for reasons A, B, C, D, and E.

Devil505: Well, if we very carefully craft the rules, exploitation of the change can be avoided.

Opposing poster: It's too dangerous to risk, because history shows that such is impossible (or other reasoning).

Devil505: I still think it would work, and believe it should be tried.
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Have you noted that?
 
DeeJayH said:
NEWSFLASH: Dear Leader wanted it signed before they went on vacation
they will never get info out because they more people actually learn about the truth, the more support he loses
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You are quite wrong. The more voters understand the truth, the more they agree with Obama's HC proposal.
We will find out pretty soon as I predict major HC reform will be made law by the end of the year. (with ther GOP kicking & screaming all the way ........for their HC Industry masters)
 
Devil505 said:
You are quite wrong. The more voters understand the truth, the more they agree with Obama's HC proposal.
We will find out pretty soon as I predict major HC reform will be made law by the end of the year. (with ther GOP kicking & screaming all the way ........for their HC Industry masters)
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point went right over your head again

HE ALREADY TRIED TO RAM IT DOWN EVERYONES THROATS ONCE WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING WHAT IS IN IT

and need I remind you of this as well

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7mOaPnYYA"]YouTube - Congressman John Conyers: "Why Read The Bill?"[/ame]
 
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