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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    it was already presented to congress you nimrod
    why are you being so ****ing obtuse
    it failed prior to summer vacation
    you are touting the Huffington post spin machine with this final bill bull****
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    it passed the house and the senate refused to vote on it before summer vacation despite Dear Leaders pressure to do so
    So, in fact no final version of any HC reform bill was presented on the floors of both houses of Congress for a vote, prior to summer vacation & therefore no billed "Failed prior to summer vacation" as you erroneously stated when you called ME a nimrod!

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So, in fact no final version of any HC reform bill was presented on the floors of both houses of Congress for a vote, prior to summer vacation & therefore no billed "Failed prior to summer vacation" as you erroneously stated when you called ME a nimrod!
    You have got to be kidding.

    The Bill was complete and sent to be passed. They refused to do so.

    How hard is that to understand? You do speak English?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If true, it tells me that their medical care plan(s) are free to them and high enough in quality that private insurance plans are not a better option.
    No government medical care to Congress or federal employee is free. (military is I think) These plans are paid for by the government employee & usually are BC&BS , Harvard Pilgrim, etc.....In other words....Private HC insurance companies who contract with the government.
    What/'s wrong with that?

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No government medical care to Congress or federal employee is free. (military is I think) These plans are paid for by the government employee & usually are BC&BS , Harvard Pilgrim, etc.....In other words....Private HC insurance companies who contract with the government.
    What/'s wrong with that?
    "The government (meaning taxpayers like you and me) pays 72% of the average premium but not more than 75%. Your Congressman saw the remaining 25% deducted from his $12,500 monthly paycheck (also paid for by you and me). This is similar to the amount the government pays under Medicare. Under Medicare, the government pays 75% of the Part B premium and the other 25% monthly premium is deducted from your Social Security check (which is much, much less than $12,500 per month)." - Ask the Advisor: Congressional Health Care Benefits, the Rolls Royce of Health Plans?

    Look evidence! Wow what a concept!

    Wrong again Devil505.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No government medical care to Congress or federal employee is free. (military is I think) These plans are paid for by the government employee & usually are BC&BS , Harvard Pilgrim, etc.....In other words....Private HC insurance companies who contract with the government.
    What/'s wrong with that?
    Perhaps I misunderstood.

    I was under the impression that you were saying you wanted a UHC system in the US, and that the congressional, military, and governmental employee HC plans were a good example of how it should be done.

    As I:
    1. Personally have almost no knowledge of those systems.
    2. Was under the impression that UHC (which is how I view the goal of the current bill) was, essentially. government controlled and run medical care, which would replace most if not all private control of such things.

    Thus, I was led to believe that you were saying the current governmental programs for health care of their employees were the same. As I had no personal knowledge of such.

    And I answered with that in mind.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I diagree with your opinion. I think it can be done.
    Really? Then how are you going to come up with enough hearts for everyone that needs it to get a heart transplant? Lung transplant? ANY sort of transplant? And what about the drugs? Those can only be made at a certain pace. What about doctors? How are you going to get enough general doctors to see everyone that needs to be seen? Especially when doctors want to specialize now a days because that's where the money is?
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps I misunderstood.

    I was under the impression that you were saying you wanted a UHC system in the US, and that the congressional, military, and governmental employee HC plans were a good example of how it should be done.

    As I:
    1. Personally have almost no knowledge of those systems.
    2. Was under the impression that UHC (which is how I view the goal of the current bill) was, essentially. government controlled and run medical care, which would replace most if not all private control of such things.

    Thus, I was led to believe that you were saying the current governmental programs for health care of their employees were the same. As I had no personal knowledge of such.

    And I answered with that in mind.
    That is what the real problem IS,........ The public's misunderstanding of what a national HC plan will be.
    Lack of understanding & deliberate misinformation has misled many Americans into thinking UHC will be free, pay for illegal aliens, pay for abortions & be run by government bureaucrats.....None of which is true.
    Once the public understand what the real public HC system is, they overwhelmingly like it. That's what scares the private insurance companies......Their profits will be cut!

    The Congressional & government employee health plans are:

    1. Paid for by the employee
    2. Run by private insurance companies (like BC/BS)
    3. Do not pay for abortions
    4. Do not have "Death Panels" , like your private insurance does.


    I agree that the Obama administration has not done as good a job of getting out the truth as the GOP/HC Industry has done getting out lies & scare tactics.
    I think this will change in September when summer recess is over.
    Then, the House...The Senate....Blue Dogs Dems & any Repubs who care to will thrash out a compromise bill that will be favored by the public, passed by Congress & signed by Obama.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-24-09 at 08:01 AM.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The Congressional & government employee health plans are:

    1. Paid for by the employee
    2. Run by private insurance companies (like BC/BS)
    3. Do not pay for abortions
    4. Do not have "Death Panels" , like your private insurance does.
    and guess who pays their salaries
    wake up already will you. You are paying for their better health plan and they are trying to pass a watered down POS on you, in comparison

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    and guess who pays their salaries
    Hard working citizens of this country pay Everyone's salaries........Public & private.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    None of the opposition is based on his race. Think so, prove it.

    My opposition is because I won't support anyone that calls me a nazi, brownshirt, senile, tea bagging redneck, etc., etc. Obviously they are trying to intimidate. Anyone with a any backbone at all will obey the phychological imperative and push back. It is just more proof that this administration is (unbelievably) more incompetent than the Carter administration.

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