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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I disagree with your opinion. I think it can be done.
    This seems to be a recurring theme (in all two threads I noted it) on your part.
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    Opposing poster: It's too dangerous to risk, because history shows that such is impossible (or other reasoning).

    Devil505: I still think it would work, and believe it should be tried.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post

    NEWSFLASH: Dear Leader wanted it signed before they went on vacation
    they will never get info out because they more people actually learn about the truth, the more support he loses
    You are quite wrong. The more voters understand the truth, the more they agree with Obama's HC proposal.
    We will find out pretty soon as I predict major HC reform will be made law by the end of the year. (with ther GOP kicking & screaming all the way ........for their HC Industry masters)

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You are quite wrong. The more voters understand the truth, the more they agree with Obama's HC proposal.
    We will find out pretty soon as I predict major HC reform will be made law by the end of the year. (with ther GOP kicking & screaming all the way ........for their HC Industry masters)
    point went right over your head again

    HE ALREADY TRIED TO RAM IT DOWN EVERYONES THROATS ONCE WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING WHAT IS IN IT

    and need I remind you of this as well

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7mOaPnYYA"]YouTube - Congressman John Conyers: "Why Read The Bill?"[/ame]

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    point went right over your head again

    HE ALREADY TRIED TO RAM IT DOWN EVERYONES THROATS ONCE WITHOUT ANYONE KNOWING WHAT IS IN IT

    and need I remind you of this as well

    YouTube - Congressman John Conyers: "Why Read The Bill?"
    The real point is this country elected Obama in large part based on his pledge to reform HC & it will get done. Take that to the bank.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    reform is fine. Taking it over is not

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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The real point is this country elected Obama in large part based on his pledge to reform HC & it will get done. Take that to the bank.
    If we assume that you are correct, and the USA elected Pres. Obama mostly because he promised to reform HC, then it follows that:

    If he doesn't, people will be upset.

    If he, in their view, does it incorrectly, people will be upset, and not support it.

    If he, in their view, does it only partially, people will be upset, and not support it.

    If he does it perfectly according to 5 people, the rest will not like that specific method and get upset, potentially not supporting it.

    So saying "you can take that to the bank" in regards to Pres. Obama getting it passed would, IMO, be incorrect.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    If we assume that you are correct, and the USA elected Pres. Obama mostly because he promised to reform HC, then it follows that:

    If he doesn't, people will be upset.

    If he, in their view, does it incorrectly, people will be upset, and not support it.

    If he, in their view, does it only partially, people will be upset, and not support it.

    If he does it perfectly according to 5 people, the rest will not like that specific method and get upset, potentially not supporting it.

    So saying "you can take that to the bank" in regards to Pres. Obama getting it passed would, IMO, be incorrect.
    I guess I see your point in that what is taken to the bank is unclear.
    My basic concern is that I want Obama to do the foillowing:

    1. Get rid of pre-existing health problems from preventing someone from getting coverage.
    2. Make HC portable & not tied to ypour job
    3. Make it affordable for every citizen


    Call it what you will...I think those 3 things would be a good start.
    (Personally, I'd like to see the profit motive taken completely out of HC...We don't have fire departments who put out fire for profit so why have insurance companies profit from the sick?)

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    1. Get rid of pre-existing health problems from preventing someone from getting coverage.
    2. Make HC portable & not tied to ypour job
    3. Make it affordable for every citizen
    all are good ideas
    none require government taking over HC

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    How the hell did you just tie in a retroactive reparative measure with a proactive preventative measure. Not even close to being the same thing.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I guess I see your point in that what is taken to the bank is unclear.
    Excellent.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    My basic concern is that I want Obama to do the following:

    1. Get rid of pre-existing health problems from preventing someone from getting coverage.
    2. Make HC portable & not tied to your job
    3. Make it affordable for every citizen

    Call it what you will...I think those 3 things would be a good start.
    These are all good goals.
    However, I feel that they can be accomplished without changing to UHC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    (Personally, I'd like to see the profit motive taken completely out of HC...We don't have fire departments who put out fire for profit so why have insurance companies profit from the sick?)
    I disagree.
    IMO, the profit motive is one of the key reasons our current HC is so good. There is profit to be made in keeping people alive and in good health, as people will pay for such care.
    Further, medical insurance companies do not profit from the sick. They profit from the healthy. A healthy customer who pays their monthly bill on time is the perfect medical insurance client.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by DeeJayH View Post
    all are good ideas
    none require government taking over HC
    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Excellent.


    These are all good goals.
    However, I feel that they can be accomplished without changing to UHC.


    I think in order to achieve my 3rd requirement, a public option is
    absolutely essential.

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