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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post

    Polling data doesn't show that. Dems are slipping; self-identified conservatives are on the rise.
    Don't have time to respond to all your points right now but I wanted to quickly take your last point:

    Do you really think "Polling Data" means anything at all??
    Polling data are just "Guesses" & totally unreliable.
    Election Results are the only real measure of voter opinion &, based on the election results since 2006, the GOP is not doing very well, are they?

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Don't have time to respond to all your points right now but I wanted to quickly take your last point:

    Do you really think "Polling Data" means anything at all??
    Polling data are just "Guesses" & totally unreliable.
    Election Results are the only real measure of voter opinion &, based on the election results since 2006, the GOP is not doing very well, are they?
    It is the only thing we have gauge what opposition to Obama and those "fear tactics" are doing re: the electorate. There haven't been any elections since.

    As for 2006 and 2008, what GOP "fear tactics" and "racism" were in play, and how did they drive voters to the Democrats, moreso than a whole panaroma of other factors? And did you not notice similar "fear tactics" from the Democrats all through those years?

    Using broad election results as proof of a very narrow point is . . . not valid. Hundreds of millions of people vote for their own wide and varied reasons.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It is the only thing we have gauge what opposition to Obama and those "fear tactics" are doing re: the electorate. There haven't been any elections since.

    As for 2006 and 2008, what GOP "fear tactics" and "racism" were in play, and how did they drive voters to the Democrats, moreso than a whole panaroma of other factors? And did you not notice similar "fear tactics" from the Democrats all through those years?

    Using broad election results as proof of a very narrow point is . . . not valid. Hundreds of millions of people vote for their own wide and varied reasons.
    Are you really going to deny that the GOP used fear as a tactic much more than the Dems? (Obama Pals around with terrorists, Obama will take you guns away, Obama is an illegal alien who should be deported, Obama is a racist who hates white people,..etc...etc...etc)
    I believe the election results were a direct rejection of these lies....Dont you?

    Really, you deny that the Repubs use fear much more than the Dems??
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Are you really going to deny that the GOP used fear as a tactic much more than the Dems? (Obama Pals around with terrorists, Obama will take you guns away, Obama is an illegal alien who should be deported, Obama is a racist who hates white people,..etc...etc...etc)

    Really, you deny that??


    Yeah, I sure as hell will. (Bush is going to bring back the draft! If the assault weapons ban expires, blood will run in the streets! McCain wants 100 years of war! Republicans are going to take away Social Security! )
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Yeah, I sure as hell will. (Bush is going to bring back the draft! If the assault weapons ban expires, blood will run in the streets! McCain wants 100 years of war! Republicans are going to take away Social Security! )
    OK...So what is your explanation for the GOP loses in recent national elections?

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK...So what is your explanation for the GOP loses in recent national elections?
    Unpopular wars, down economies, incompetence, the cyclical nature of politics, and thousands of other reasons, just like any other election. Do you REALLY think the primary reason why they lost was because the vast majority of people don't like their "scare tactics"?

    When you get down to it, any negative campaigning is using scare tactics, and negative campaigning works.

    And by the way, did you not notice how nasty and low the Democratic primary got this past year? That was against each other. Do you think they suddenly get all nicey-nice against their actual ideological opponents?

    And on that, Hillary's campaign brought out an awful lot against Obama, and a lot of scare tactics to boot, many of which Republicans still use today, but HER campaign were the ones who brought it up first. Was that mostly racist?
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race
    Absolutely friggin not.

    Actually it seems that the race issue was fabricated by the left to shut down any opposition no matter how valid.

    Lets not forget that if we had not had politically correctness jammed down our throats for so many years that tactic would be worthless.

    Personally I am getting a little sick and tired of these tactics, and I think many Americans feel the same.

    These various attempts to conspire to make it appear as if anyone who is not in full support of all the beliefs and policies of the administration to be a racist is only creating more racial tensions and possibly even erasing the many gains in racial relations.

    Maybe if the administration really or honestly valued racial equality and relations etc they would not abuse such things for their own personal gain.

    Shame!!
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    people who simply DENY racism perpetuate problems WITH racism....

    Just yesterday I heard a nice old gentleman say "blacks and mexicans" with an inflection and in a context that indicates racism.

    What is kind of funny is when one of those secretly bigoted white men finds out that his daughter is living "in sin" with one....or one of his kids adopts a black child.
    One might well ask why you didn't call him on his "covert" racism. Many, many LDS folks have served missions around the world, in Africa, South America, the far east, and elsewhere. They are fluent in any number of languages. Alot of LDS families have adopted children of other races, and there is a considerable degree of interacial marriage in the church, as well. Far more than you will see in, say, the southern Baptists.

    The LDS are HARDLY the most racist folks out there, and most of the racism resides in the minds of the older generation. I.e., the Ezra Taft Benson generation, and the John Birchers.

    I will agree that they tend to be RELIGIOUSLY discriminatory, but they certainly aren't, for the most part, racists.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree with most of what you say & I never claimed that opposition to Obama means the person must be a bigot. The topic question is: "Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race?"
    I say YES to that in that the many lies & smears (Obama wants to kill old people, etc) are BASED from a few GOP bigots who lead the party. (Limbaugh, etc) Most of the rest of the Obama opposers simply bought the lies they keep hearing, but are probably not bigots.
    Possible. However, if it exists at all, I think it a symptom of both sides. A few persons who make statements which are then agreed to by a large portion of their followers.

    Which doesn't mean that those few are incorrect.

    That's the downside to such a situation... Opponents can claim that their enemies have blind, unthinking followers, even if such is not the case, and the "followers" are simply in agreement with the statements of the "leaders".

    It happens on both sides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    True to an extent, but the far right have much more propensity for racism & violence than the left. Do you disagree with that?
    Yes.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    One might well ask why you didn't call him on his "covert" racism. Many, many LDS folks have served missions around the world, in Africa, South America, the far east, and elsewhere. They are fluent in any number of languages. Alot of LDS families have adopted children of other races, and there is a considerable degree of interacial marriage in the church, as well. Far more than you will see in, say, the southern Baptists.

    The LDS are HARDLY the most racist folks out there, and most of the racism resides in the minds of the older generation. I.e., the Ezra Taft Benson generation, and the John Birchers.

    I will agree that they tend to be RELIGIOUSLY discriminatory, but they certainly aren't, for the most part, racists.
    I agree, are you implying that I think most LDS are racists? Most of my neighbors are LDS, and only a few are most definitely racist. Happens in even the best neighborhoods...
    I grew up in east Texas in the 50's and 60's. Surprisingly, there were only a few openly racist types that I was aware of, but those few were really bad about it.
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