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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No, you said it mostly is, and I never claimed that it doesn't exist at all.

    I said most opposition is BASED on race coming from the lies being spread by GOP leaders. They are the racists, not necessarily the dummies who fall for their lies.



    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree with most of what you say & I never claimed that opposition to Obama means the person must be a bigot. The topic question is: "Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race?"
    I say YES to that in that the many lies & smears (Obama wants to kill old people, etc) are BASED from a few GOP bigots who lead the party. (Limbaugh, etc) Most of the rest of the Obama opposers simply bought the lies they keep hearing, but are probably not bigots.

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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I said most opposition is BASED on race coming from the lies being spread by GOP leaders. They are the racists, not necessarily the dummies who fall for their lies.

    Here was your statement:

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    I say YES to the question. Most opposition to Obama is racially based, & yes...I truly believe that.

    Most Americans are not racists, & more voters voted for Obama then voted for McCain.
    The question is aimed at the opposition to Obama & yes, I feel that tghe core of it is indeed race based. Oh, the far right racists will find 10 million reasons they will CLAIM why they don't like Obama: His economic policies, his use of diplomcy, his HC reform ideas...etc

    These, IMO are just dodges & as Senator DeMint honestly said, the right wants to "Break" Obama & I believe it is mainly racists thinking.


    Is it possible to not be a racist & dislike Obama's policies? ...Of course!

    Do I think that is most often the case with anti Obama people? Not on your life. I think it is mainly racist.

    The emphasis was yours, not mine.

    But even if you decided you had to narrow it to look more reasonable, there's still no evidence that the opposition to Obama on the part of the "leadership" is based in racism. Do you really think they'd be on board with Obama's policies and plans if he were white? Really? Seriously, really?
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Do you really think they'd be on board with Obama's policies and plans if he were white? Really? Seriously, really?
    Fair question.

    1. I believe that much of the GOP opposition comes from the fact that Obama is a Democrat & that the present day GOP leadership puts party way above country. (Disloyal Opposition)

    2. I do believe that if Obama was a white Democrat, the GOP leadership opposition (the basis of most opposition against Obama) would not be as strident against him. I therefore think they (GOP leaders) are cynically using the fear of a black man as their BASIS for most anti-Obama rhetoric & opposition. They are using this fear like a club to beat down their opponents & to try to scare the voter. (I think they'd be much more prone to negotiate their differences with a white President than with Obama, just because they think they can get away with being stubborn when race is taken into account)
    Yes...FEAR is still their main tactic & they can't see that it doesn't work anymore. It's costing them elections!

    In terms of winning elections, the GOP's fear tactics have turned into a nightmare for GOP supporters & a Godsend for the Dems.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Even if racism isn't used as the basis for opposition, it is certainly being used as a weapon. The GOP knows that the lower hanging fruit of the party is easily manipulated by feeding their fears.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Even if racism isn't used as the basis for opposition, it is certainly being used as a weapon. The GOP knows that the lower hanging fruit of the party is easily manipulated by feeding their fears.
    So now seniors are "lower hanging fruit", meaning I surmise that they are intellectually bereft (senile) and incapable of listening to both sides and coming to their own conclusions. What about a $500 billion cut in medicare seems like a racist argument to you? I don't see racism and bigotry rampant anywhere but in the democrat party and the liberal socialist movement. That perception and your apparent opinion of the American people as being much lower on the intellectual tree than yourself belies a contemptible egotism that is pervasive in the democrat party.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    So now seniors are "lower hanging fruit", meaning I surmise that they are intellectually bereft (senile) and incapable of listening to both sides and coming to their own conclusions. What about a $500 billion cut in medicare seems like a racist argument to you? I don't see racism and bigotry rampant anywhere but in the democrat party and the liberal socialist movement. That perception and your apparent opinion of the American people as being much lower on the intellectual tree than yourself belies a contemptible egotism that is pervasive in the democrat party.
    I never said seniors....
    You are not being honest when you make such assumptions.
    Check my age, I am a senior...

    The uneducated among us are easily manipulated by the educated and if don't think it happens, you haven't been around very long.

    Another assumption, me a democrat? I voted for ONE democrat a long time ago, and repented soon thereafter. But I also apologize for voting for Bush Lite.....
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I agree with most of what you say & I never claimed that opposition to Obama means the person must be a bigot. The topic question is: "Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race?"
    I say YES to that in that the many lies & smears (Obama wants to kill old people, etc) are BASEd from a few GOP bigots who lead the party. (Limbaugh, etc) Most of the rest of the Obama opposers simply bought the lies they keep hearing, but are probably not bigots.


    you justify your opinion of MOST based on the actions of a FEW



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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

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    you justify your opinion of MOST based on the actions of a FEW

    you are a priceless addition to DP. Do you write your own material?
    If the few just happen to lead/represent the most, it is fair to let the most share the blame.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Fair question.

    1. I believe that much of the GOP opposition comes from the fact that Obama is a Democrat & that the present day GOP leadership puts party way above country. (Disloyal Opposition)
    I agree with the first part and don't entirely disagree with the second part, but the Democrats are no better when they're in the minority. So, vitriol should not be reserved for one side of the aisle alone.


    2. I do believe that if Obama was a white Democrat, the GOP leadership opposition (the basis of most opposition against Obama) would not be as strident against him.
    Why? Opposition to the LAST health care bill was every bit as strident.


    I therefore think they (GOP leaders) are cynically using the fear of a black man as their BASIS for most anti-Obama rhetoric & opposition.
    How? You can't just say that; you can't just point to examples of racism; you need examples of things they're doing to foment this.


    (I think they'd be much more prone to negotiate their differences with a white President than with Obama, just because they think they can get away with being stubborn when race is taken into account)

    Which does not follow from the last time a huge health care bill came along. They were just as animated and managed to parlay it into a Congressional election landslide.

    Also keep in mind that Obama is doing some unprecedented things -- such as the most insanely huge budget deficit ever, and one which will carry from year to year -- and even if he makes good on his promise to cut it in "half" in X number of years, it'll still be about twice the deficit of any previous president.

    And, we have not had a president since Carter with an agenda as unabashedly left-liberal.

    So, there are many, many novel factors in play other than just race.



    In terms of winning elections, the GOP's fear tactics have turned into a nightmare for GOP supporters & a Godsend for the Dems.
    Polling data doesn't show that. Dems are slipping; self-identified conservatives are on the rise.

    Witness, too, the terms in which proponents of this bill feel they need to couch the arguments for this bill -- conservative-sounding terms like "controlling costs" and "increasing competition." If they thought left-liberalism was in ascendancy, why would they bother? This is a left-liberal bill.
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    Re: Do you believe that opposition to Obama is mostly based on his race

    No there would still be 50% ish against it as there is on nearly any issue when a president of ethier party is in charge.
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