Say what you honestly think.
Say what you honestly think.
Regardless of what some rightwing, scare tactic, partisan hacks think, no, not in the least. Anyone who thinks so, I challenge to post the definition of a socialist society and identify how the US is identical to that.
Capitolistic: Main Entry: cap·i·tal·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈka-pə-tə-ˌliz-əm, ˈkap-tə-, British also kə-ˈpi-tə-\
Function: noun
Date: 1877
: an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market
Main Entry: so·cial·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1837
1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
I think that we are a Capitolistic/Socialist country atm. A mixture. Though heavier on the Capitolism than the Socialism.
Capitolistic: Obvious.
Merriam-Webster: Capitolism
Socialistic: In that there are government sponsored programs like Medicaid, Medicare, Welfare etc etc which makes everyone pay into it through taxes. We would be under the first defination of socialism.
Merriam-Webster: Socialism
Umm, which of the things you mention is the equivalent of the govt owning the means of production?I
Socialistic: In that there are government sponsored programs like Medicaid, Medicare, Welfare etc etc which makes everyone pay into it through taxes. We would be under the first defination of socialism.
Merriam-Webster: Socialism
We could be if you are willing to use a definition of socialist that doesn't bear very much resemblance to the way the word has been used in the past.
In the same way that my puppy is the future 3rd baseman for the Knicks.
Umm, which of the things you mention is the equivalent of the govt owning the means of production?
Healthy citizens are productive are they not? :mrgreen:
Seriously, Medicaid, Medicare, and Welfare is nothing more than a type of insurance. There are many forms of production. There are the material types of producing something. IE steel, cars, food etc etc. And then there are non-material types of producing something. Such as health. The government wants to produce healthy people so that other things may be produced.
So, are you saying that the government has a major vested interest in a healthy populace?
Of course. Thank you for putting it far simpler than I did.
You're welcome...but you might not thank me, now. :2razz: Don't you think that since the government has a vested interest in a healthy populace, that keeping it's populace healthy with a UHC would make sense? I mean, how else can the government manage this?
Yes I do. I personally don't have a problem with UHC in and of itself. I just do not like the proposed bill that they have at this point in time.
Damn! You stopped my "trap". Few EVER do that. Kudos to you. :applaud
OK, so in your UHC, what would the plan look like? I'm truly curious.
:lol: Thanks.
I've actually been thinking about this for a bit now. I'm going to go to bed soon so won't beable to tell ya right now. But I will tomarrow if I have time....which I more than likely will.
I will say that it involves both Medicare and Medicaid. And yes I know that sounds foolhardy but if done right it shouldn't be.
Edit note: Please note that I'm not that great at technical things so what I will be saying will be in laymens terms.
Say what you honestly think.
Say what you honestly think.
That's a pretty unusual and broad definition of "means of production" you're using there. Can't say as I have seen anything quite like it before.Healthy citizens are productive are they not?
Seriously, Medicaid, Medicare, and Welfare is nothing more than a type of insurance. There are many forms of production. There are the material types of producing something. IE steel, cars, food etc etc. And then there are non-material types of producing something. Such as health.
Say what you honestly think.
That's a pretty unusual and broad definition of "means of production" you're using there. Can't say as I have seen anything quite like it before.
for example:
Means of production - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaMeans of production (abbreviated MoP; German: Produktionsmittel), are things used by human labourers to create products. They include two broad categories of objects: instruments of labour (tools, factories, infrastructure, etc.) and subjects of labour (natural resources and raw materials). People operate on the subjects of labour, using the instruments of labour, to create a product; or, stated another way, labour acting on the means of production creates a product.[1]As I said earlier, if you are willing to use unusual definitions, then you could say that the US is socialist (or most anything else you would like).
The term can be simply and picturesquely described in an agrarian society as the soil and the shovel; in an industrial society, the mines and the factories.
Usually though, MoP is defined a bit more narrowly.