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Thread: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
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    I've long since lost interest in even attempting to bother with standard rightist economic irrationality. If you think of an argument somewhere down the line, just yell.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    And that popular sentiment is merely based on corruption of the textbook economic spectrum, which ranges from the "pure" laissez-faire economy to the "pure" command economy. In reality, however, identifying all increases in state influence on economic structure as shifts toward "socialism" ignores the fact that many state programs are designed and intended to sustain capitalism.
    And truly perhaps you are correct, I see the logic of that, however, you and I at the very least agree on the end point.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Like it or not, functioning societies require some aspects of Socialism to function
    Since when?

    Oh, since you decided that the military and quasi-military services necessary and proper to a stable government, the army and the police, are suddenly "socialist" services by some totally weird definition of "socialism".

    No, stable viable societies don't need socialism, the services I just mentioned are the tangible expression of the monopoly on violence a society gives it's government to perform it's function, the protection of the people's liberty and lives and property from rude people intending to commit harm.

    Socialism is the theft of freedom, property, and thought from the innocent.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You sure you want to stick with that?
    Yup. As Simon said, you want to accept the challenge and give it a shot?
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    I find it amusing that people still believe that laisse-fare economics is a possibility. Such societies are dead and do not work. Regulation is a neccessity to protect the market from itself and corruption, and there have always been many forms of collective institutions in this country. The problem is that people only want to see in black and white. "We have to remain capitalist," or "We need to transform into a scoialist nation," yet society has never been that simple. Everything cannot be privatized and based on an economic model, and if it were to be so, it would fail.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Never have been, never will be.

    Even Obama is fairly economically conservative by European standards.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    I expect that interest in republican market socialism will intensify over the next half-century or so as people consider the reality that such an economic system is more closely aligned with the founders' intents than our presently existing conditions of corporate capitalism.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    Then they're not "some aspects of socialism" either. They're depicted as such because of the fallacious conception of the mixed economy as a corruption of "pure" capitalism.
    Which is amusing as well as pure capitalism is nothing more than anarchy. No sane person wants "pure" capitalism. No regulation, no method of recourse, no required disclosures, no restrictions on pollution, it's complete anarchy. And it quickly does not survive in that form.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since when?
    Since always? Care to revisit 1990s Somalia? How well did that turn out?

    Oh, since you decided that the military and quasi-military services necessary and proper to a stable government, the army and the police, are suddenly "socialist" services by some totally weird definition of "socialism".
    Read the definition of Socialism. They absolutely fit. Government owned, mandated and controlled for the benefit for all. You just don't like them because you'd have to admit that you do enjoy aspects of Socialism.

    No, stable viable societies don't need socialism, the services I just mentioned are the tangible expression of the monopoly on violence a society gives it's government to perform it's function, the protection of the people's liberty and lives and property from rude people intending to commit harm.
    Which is merely a redefining of Socialism to pretend your beliefs are consistent.

    Tell me, how are services that are owned, controlled and dictated by the government for the benefit of all not Socialist?

    Socialism is the theft of freedom, property, and thought from the innocent.
    Technically that's pure capitalism.
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