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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnapostate View Post
    I understand the intent behind the "combination" theory, but it's still inaccurate, and is presumably based upon some application of the textbook economic spectrum, which ranges from the "pure" laissez-faire economy to the "pure" command economy.
    I'll give you that.

    However, legitimate socialism requires collective ownership of the means of production.
    Well, we can define that with a capital S, like how people define Marxist communism with a capital C.

    Welfare programs, for example, promote macroeconomic stabilization and maintain the physical efficiency of the working class, thus sustaining capitalism.
    I'm not sure I'd include welfare, but things like socialized highway systems have been a massive economic boom to capitalism. Our socialized military is one of the largest government outflows of cash into the private market. Several firms almost entirely live on contracts (as a percentage of EBIT) to provide services and goods to the military.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Well, we can define that with a capital S, like how people define Marxist communism with a capital C.
    We would define it as the term actually is, inaccurate misinterpretations of actual definitions so prevalent among rightists notwithstanding. It becomes especially ridiculous to mendaciously apply terms to facets of some economic system that constitutes something purely oppositional to the ideology that those terms accurately describe.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I'm not sure I'd include welfare, but things like socialized highway systems have been a massive economic boom to capitalism. Our socialized military is one of the largest government outflows of cash into the private market. Several firms almost entirely live on contracts (as a percentage of EBIT) to provide services and goods to the military.
    Extensive spending on armed forces related affairs is an example of the Military Keynesianism that rightists so often embrace, but welfare ought to be included because of its role in reducing unemployment/underemployment in the capitalist economy, for one thing, which constitutes a reduction of static inefficiency. But yeah, the central and most essential point is that such policy programs cannot be legitimately or accurately be referred to as "socialist" if their purpose is to maintain an opposing economic order as the dominant fixture.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Not yet. But we will be if things keep going the way they are.
    That's right, the Fortune 500 are just going to turn over total control of their companies.

    The ONLY slippery slope we're on... if this keeps up, we'll become a Nation of Sycophants.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are boring in comparison though.
    Speak for yourself. I'm not.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    We did... turns out McCarthy was 90% correct.
    Only to those who believe in conspiracy theories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Speak for yourself. I'm not.
    You are starting to sound like the rev now...

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are starting to sound like the rev now...
    No, the Reverend has been sounding like ME for a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Regardless of what some rightwing, scare tactic, partisan hacks think, no, not in the least. Anyone who thinks so, I challenge to post the definition of a socialist society and identify how the US is identical to that.
    You sure you want to stick with that?
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Yeah, accuracy's generally an all right card to play.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You sure you want to stick with that?
    Do you accept his challenge or not?
    I may be wrong.

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