View Poll Results: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

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  • Yes, we are a socialist country

    7 10.61%
  • No, we are a capitalist country

    17 25.76%
  • We have been partly socialist and capitalist for decades

    39 59.09%
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are boring in comparison though.
    I can do the macarena and tell a joke about the black boxes in airplanes.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    I would also like to add that I'm sick and tired of the shrill cries coming from the left anytime someone mentions the words "socialist" or "socialism" in reference to Obama. Whether or not he is a de facto socialist is irrelevant, his policies and rhetoric are socialistic enough to warrant harsh criticism.

    Saying the Bush-bashing Nazi-labelers are equivalent to people who call Obama a socialist is just retarded. It's not even remotely similar.

    Nazism was based upon tyrannical racism and genocide, socialism is generalized economic philosophy that enjoys implementation across the modern world. Do not make the silly and ignorant mistake of conflating these two concepts.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We are a capitalist country with a few socialist styled programs. The whole socialism thing being talked about endlessly now is just a case of namecalling by those on the right.
    Hmmmmm..... how about a list of Congress critters that belong to the Democratic Socialists of America?

    Co-Chairs
    Hon. Raúl M. Grijalva (AZ-07)
    Hon. Lynn Woolsey (CA-06)

    Vice Chairs
    Hon. Diane Watson (CA-33)
    Hon. Sheila Jackson-Lee (TX-18)
    Hon. Mazie Hirono (HI-02)
    Hon. Dennis Kucinich (OH-10)

    Senate Members
    Hon. Bernie Sanders (VT)

    House Members
    Hon. Neil Abercrombie (HI-01)
    Hon. Tammy Baldwin (WI-02)
    Hon. Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
    Hon. Madeleine Bordallo (GU-AL)
    Hon. Robert Brady (PA-01)
    Hon. Corrine Brown (FL-03)
    Hon. Michael Capuano (MA-08)
    Hon. André Carson (IN-07)
    Hon. Donna Christensen (VI-AL)
    Hon. Yvette Clarke (NY-11)
    Hon. William “Lacy” Clay (MO-01)
    Hon. Emanuel Cleaver (MO-05)
    Hon. Steve Cohen (TN-09)
    Hon. John Conyers (MI-14)
    Hon. Elijah Cummings (MD-07)
    Hon. Danny Davis (IL-07)
    Hon. Peter DeFazio (OR-04)
    Hon. Rosa DeLauro (CT-03)
    Rep. Donna F. Edwards (MD-04)
    Hon. Keith Ellison (MN-05)
    Hon. Sam Farr (CA-17)
    Hon. Chaka Fattah (PA-02)
    Hon. Bob Filner (CA-51)
    Hon. Barney Frank (MA-04)
    Hon. Marcia L. Fudge (OH-11)
    Hon. Alan Grayson (FL-08)
    Hon. Luis Gutierrez (IL-04)
    Hon. John Hall (NY-19)
    Hon. Phil Hare (IL-17)
    Hon. Maurice Hinchey (NY-22)
    Hon. Michael Honda (CA-15)
    Hon. Jesse Jackson, Jr. (IL-02)
    Hon. Eddie Bernice Johnson (TX-30)
    Hon. Hank Johnson (GA-04)
    Hon. Marcy Kaptur (OH-09)
    Hon. Carolyn Kilpatrick (MI-13)
    Hon. Barbara Lee (CA-09)
    Hon. John Lewis (GA-05)
    Hon. David Loebsack (IA-02)
    Hon. Ben R. Lujan (NM-3)
    Hon. Carolyn Maloney (NY-14)
    Hon. Ed Markey (MA-07)
    Hon. Jim McDermott (WA-07)
    Hon. James McGovern (MA-03)
    Hon. George Miller (CA-07)
    Hon. Gwen Moore (WI-04)
    Hon. Jerrold Nadler (NY-08)
    Hon. Eleanor Holmes-Norton (DC-AL)
    Hon. John Olver (MA-01)
    Hon. Ed Pastor (AZ-04)
    Hon. Donald Payne (NJ-10)
    Hon. Chellie Pingree (ME-01)
    Hon. Charles Rangel (NY-15)
    Hon. Laura Richardson (CA-37)
    Hon. Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
    Hon. Bobby Rush (IL-01)
    Hon. Linda Sánchez (CA-47)
    Hon. Jan Schakowsky (IL-09)
    Hon. José Serrano (NY-16)
    Hon. Louise Slaughter (NY-28)
    Hon. Pete Stark (CA-13)
    Hon. Bennie Thompson (MS-02)
    Hon. John Tierney (MA-06)
    Hon. Nydia Velazquez (NY-12)
    Hon. Maxine Waters (CA-35)
    Hon. Mel Watt (NC-12)
    Hon. Henry Waxman (CA-30)
    Hon. Peter Welch (VT-AL)
    Hon. Robert Wexler (FL-19)
    DSA Members of Congress

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Socialists_of_America]Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I thought the U.S. learned its lesson about socialist hysteria in the McCarthy era?
    We did... turns out McCarthy was 90% correct.

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Hmmmmm..... how about a list of Congress critters that belong to the Democratic Socialists of America?

    DSA Members of Congress

    Democratic Socialists of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sorry, this list is absolutely fake.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Sorry, this list is absolutely fake.
    Can you post your copy of the list then?

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Can you post your copy of the list then?
    Sure:


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    Are you seriously arguing that these 70 people are members of this group? What the **** are you basing this on - some retard conspiracy theorist's website?

    Holy ****, you people are embarrassing our entire party.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Sure:




    Are you seriously arguing that these 70 people are members of this group? What the **** are you basing this on - some retard conspiracy theorist's website?

    Holy ****, you people are embarrassing our entire party.
    He is an independent though....

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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Despite the some may say, all functioning countries require some level of socialism for stability.

    Look at the country that didn't have any vestige of it, Somalia during the 1990s, did that go well?

    And China is teaching the world some useful lessons, particularly how having no safety net is a serious drag on the domestic consumption portion of a country's economy.

    I'd love to see a rational reason how offering a government insurance plan for the uninsured "nationalizes" the entire medical field.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    I understand the intent behind the "combination" theory, but it's still inaccurate, and is presumably based upon some application of the textbook economic spectrum, which ranges from the "pure" laissez-faire economy to the "pure" command economy. However, legitimate socialism requires collective ownership of the means of production. The establishment of state-operated programs and public good provisions as elements of a mixed economy do not constitute "socialism," since they play an important role in the ultimate sustainment of the private ownership of the means of production. Welfare programs, for example, promote macroeconomic stabilization and maintain the physical efficiency of the working class, thus sustaining capitalism.

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