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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Umm, which of the things you mention is the equivalent of the govt owning the means of production?
    Healthy citizens are productive are they not?

    Seriously, Medicaid, Medicare, and Welfare is nothing more than a type of insurance. There are many forms of production. There are the material types of producing something. IE steel, cars, food etc etc. And then there are non-material types of producing something. Such as health. The government wants to produce healthy people so that other things may be produced.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Healthy citizens are productive are they not?

    Seriously, Medicaid, Medicare, and Welfare is nothing more than a type of insurance. There are many forms of production. There are the material types of producing something. IE steel, cars, food etc etc. And then there are non-material types of producing something. Such as health. The government wants to produce healthy people so that other things may be produced.
    So, are you saying that the government has a major vested interest in a healthy populace?
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, are you saying that the government has a major vested interest in a healthy populace?
    Of course. Thank you for putting it far simpler than I did.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Of course. Thank you for putting it far simpler than I did.
    You're welcome...but you might not thank me, now. Don't you think that since the government has a vested interest in a healthy populace, that keeping it's populace healthy with a UHC would make sense? I mean, how else can the government manage this?
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    And one thing...I am not arguing for UHC. I have made my position pretty well known at DP that I am for a Tiered system which requires responsibility, choice and accountability. However, the point that I bring up is a point that I have not seen sufficiently explained. If the government has a vested interest in promoting a healthy populace, just like the government has a vested interest in promoting defense of the populace, why should there NOT be UHC?
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're welcome...but you might not thank me, now. Don't you think that since the government has a vested interest in a healthy populace, that keeping it's populace healthy with a UHC would make sense? I mean, how else can the government manage this?
    Yes I do. I personally don't have a problem with UHC in and of itself. I just do not like the proposed bill that they have at this point in time.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yes I do. I personally don't have a problem with UHC in and of itself. I just do not like the proposed bill that they have at this point in time.
    Damn! You stopped my "trap". Few EVER do that. Kudos to you.

    OK, so in your UHC, what would the plan look like? I'm truly curious.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Damn! You stopped my "trap". Few EVER do that. Kudos to you.

    OK, so in your UHC, what would the plan look like? I'm truly curious.
    Thanks.

    I've actually been thinking about this for a bit now. I'm going to go to bed soon so won't beable to tell ya right now. But I will tomarrow if I have time....which I more than likely will.

    I will say that it involves both Medicare and Medicaid. And yes I know that sounds foolhardy but if done right it shouldn't be.

    Edit note: Please note that I'm not that great at technical things so what I will be saying will be in laymens terms.
    Last edited by Kal'Stang; 08-10-09 at 03:13 AM.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Thanks.

    I've actually been thinking about this for a bit now. I'm going to go to bed soon so won't beable to tell ya right now. But I will tomarrow if I have time....which I more than likely will.

    I will say that it involves both Medicare and Medicaid. And yes I know that sounds foolhardy but if done right it shouldn't be.

    Edit note: Please note that I'm not that great at technical things so what I will be saying will be in laymens terms.
    I look forward to reading what you say. And don't worry about the technical aspect. I prefer to read non-technical stuff anyway.

    Just as a side note. It's interesting what I see happening in the forum. We are seeing more intelligent bipartisan discussion on health care, here, with many folks from across the political spectrum contributing and coming to some agreements. I said it in another thread: we here at DP should run the US.
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    Re: Are We Now a Socialist Country?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Say what you honestly think.
    I think we are more accurately a Corporatist country.

    As it have influences of both capitalism and socialism with direct government influence by corporations.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism]Corporatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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