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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Mark Twain was a good guy...But he was wrong on this one. There is more to being patriotic than just supporting ones government...even when it's just when it deserves your support. Patriotism is also about the people and the culture and the history.
    I guess this is problematic for me because "patriotism" is not a clearly defined concept. America certainly has unique people, culture, and history...but every country is unique in its own way (which I guess makes none of them unique). I feel more comfortable with Americans and American culture than I would anywhere else in the world...but that's mainly because I've spent more time around my fellow Americans, not because of patriotism. A lot of times when I hear people say they're patriotic (or criticize me for NOT being patriotic), I ask them what exactly they're advocating.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    No. Of course not.

    Paying taxes is.

    Just ask Biden.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't think it is wise to show love or devotion for an individuals place of residence solely because they were born there no.

    I don't care what the French or anyone else does for that matter.
    America's patriotism has to do more with its ideals than territory specifically. So do you believe in the ideals on what our country was founded?

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Many of you said so, even only several months ago.

    Still think so?
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Many of you said so, even only several months ago.

    Still think so?
    The highest form of patriotism to ones country is service to that country like firefighters,police,law enforcement, and military. I would say serving in elected office,but seeing how many politicians are corrupt, insist of tossing the salad of globalist scum,illegals, letting foreign countries and foreign companies run our ports and insist on selling American jobs down the river they can't no way in any shape or form be considering patriotic seeing how doing those things are the opposite of patriotism.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    America's patriotism has to do more with its ideals than territory specifically. So do you believe in the ideals on what our country was founded?
    If a lifelong American citizen disagrees with these ideals, are they less patriotic than an illegal immigrant or a foreigner in general that agrees with them?
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If a lifelong American citizen disagrees with these ideals, are they less patriotic than an illegal immigrant or a foreigner in general that agrees with them?
    I'm afraid so, as a general rule if a person opposes the fundamental beliefs and culture of a society they cannot be patriotic.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    I'm afraid so, as a general rule if a person opposes the fundamental beliefs and culture of a society they cannot be patriotic.
    If that is the case then it is not at all tied to the American nation, and is simply an independent belief system. To claim that it is patriotic in any way is then false.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If that is the case then it is not at all tied to the American nation, and is simply an independent belief system. To claim that it is patriotic in any way is then false.
    The problem is that for most nations patriotism is somewhat like a tribal thing, loyalty to tribe, but in America we gain our identity from founding principals and to some extent others which have come after.

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