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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    My own personal definition of patriotism is the profound respect given to those who came before you for that which they passed on to you, and the realization that you owe to them and to those that come after you to pass along an even better situation than the one into which you came.

    As far as I'm concerned, the phrase "dissent is the highest form of patriotism" is only true if that dissent is in respect to those from whom you inherited this country and in view of the best interests of those to whom you will leave the country after your time has come and gone.

    I've been thinking about this a lot recently due to a certain family event, and I have come to the conclusion above. I guess I'm still an unrepentent nationalist in a lot of ways, largely due to the sacrifices of those whose blood I share.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Dissent without action is useless. Sitting at home bitching about democrats, or republicans, or politicians, is worthless. Action is needed.
    Dissent is the action in my book.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Dissent is the action in my book.
    Saying "no" is nothing. Saying "no, this idea here is better", and working for that idea is valuable.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    In America, where one of our ideals is freedom of expression toward a robust marketplace of ideas, dissent can be a high expression of patriotism.

    Dissent as Celticlord has defined it, is absolutely necessary to the well-functioning of our democratic republic. For example, if Obama proposes a health care overhaul, then those who disagree with it ought to vigorously express and gain an audience for the ideas that comprise their opposition.

    I would imagine that some people here think of the disruptions at town hall meetings as 'dissent' when actually they are more a form of civil disobedience that expresses a distrust of the notion of freedom of speech. As such, they run counter to the notion of a marketplace of ideas, and are thereby entirely un-patriotic.

    A democracy cannot function when disrespect toward one's fellow citizen arises in the form of wishing to drown out their voice. I have said so many times here when stating that I passionately want the Democrats to ensure that Republicans are a well represented voice during the time that they are minority in our government.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Many of you said so, even only several months ago.

    Still think so?
    No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.


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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Oh, there's no denying that there's a lot of dumb dissent out there. Still, if someone disagrees with the status quo, for whatever reason, without a little dissent, nothing will ever get done about the status quo.

    I look at it this way--without dissent, this country would not exist. Dissent may not always be right, but it's always necessary--and that is why I put it at the top.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    I would imagine that some people here think of the disruptions at town hall meetings as 'dissent' when actually they are more a form of civil disobedience that expresses a distrust of the notion of freedom of speech. As such, they run counter to the notion of a marketplace of ideas, and are thereby entirely un-patriotic.
    People who incessantly shout down others at town meetings should be removed from the premises, but let's not pretend like these are the majority of people at the health care discussions. The statistics show that a healthy majority of Americans do not like the primary reform options as offered up by the Democrats. People on the left like to pretend that this is the Republican's fault despite the mathematical impossibility of such. You own Congress and the White House. You can do what you like...

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No matter that patriotism is too often the refuge of scoundrels. Dissent, rebellion, and all-around hell-raising remain the true duty of patriots.
    That is more to my liking, thanks.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    That is more to my liking, thanks.
    I think us rebellious American-types have rubbed off a little on Laila.


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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I think us rebellious American-types have rubbed off a little on Laila.

    I'd like to think so. She is interested in shooting.

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