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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    How about showing love and devotion to your place of residence because you live there?

    I am glad I was born in this country, but my patriotism arises from the fact that I like living in this country.
    I just think that someone showing patriotism while their country is doing things that are not in their long term best interest is stupid.

    It's great we were born here no doubt, but would a person showing patriotism because they lived in Uganda be right in doing so?

    I think it can lead to greatly terrible things, as parts of nationalism seep into the definition of patriotism.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's great we were born here no doubt, but would a person showing patriotism because they lived in Uganda be right in doing so?
    Yes. I have a great deal of respect for the people in this country, even though I disagree with many of them. I love my country, even though I don't always like what we as a country do. I think patriotism is not about thinking your country is perfect, but about taking pride in what you do right.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Killing someone for political gain is not an expression of disagreement over one's opinions, but the outright dismissal of those opinions. That's not dissent, merely a more cold-blooded form of political chicanery.
    Or a cold blooded form of dissent? I think assassinating a politician pretty much sums up a disagreement of sorts.

    Dissent, protests, etc. is a must. But I wouldn't call it the greatest form of patriotism. Our recent history is full of people dissenting over their ignorant opinions without understanding a thing outside their borders.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes. I have a great deal of respect for the people in this country, even though I disagree with many of them. I love my country, even though I don't always like what we as a country do. I think patriotism is not about thinking your country is perfect, but about taking pride in what you do right.
    I don't know, I've seen "patriotism" used for nefarious purposes for which I completely disagree.
    It is usually accompanied by a tag line with which ignorant people run around quoting to silence criticism.

    I just don't feel the connection like others I suppose.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't know, I've seen "patriotism" used for nefarious purposes for which I completely disagree.
    It is usually accompanied by a tag line with which ignorant people run around quoting to silence criticism.

    I just don't feel the connection like others I suppose.
    I have seen guns used for nefarious purposes for which I completely disagree. Does not mean that guns are bad.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I have seen guns used for nefarious purposes for which I completely disagree. Does not mean that guns are bad.
    I understand that, I guess it's best to be skeptical of anyone using the term patriotism to support something.
    I think it can be a tool for manipulation and would prefer a love of local community or a love of the general idea's that a country represents.

    I'm glad your back btw your definitely one of my favorite liberals.
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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Or a cold blooded form of dissent? I think assassinating a politician pretty much sums up a disagreement of sorts.

    Dissent, protests, etc. is a must. But I wouldn't call it the greatest form of patriotism. Our recent history is full of people dissenting over their ignorant opinions without understanding a thing outside their borders.
    Oh, there's no denying that there's a lot of dumb dissent out there. Still, if someone disagrees with the status quo, for whatever reason, without a little dissent, nothing will ever get done about the status quo.

    I look at it this way--without dissent, this country would not exist. Dissent may not always be right, but it's always necessary--and that is why I put it at the top.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I understand that, I guess it's best to be skeptical of anyone using the term patriotism to support something.
    I think it can be a tool for manipulation and would prefer a love of local community or a love of the general idea's that a country represents.

    I'm glad your back btw your definitely one of my favorite liberals.
    I think we should be skeptical of everything. Patriotism, like most things, can be used for good(people taking pride in their country, and therefore working to improve it), or bad(patriotism as an excuse for xenophobia).

    Thanks, it's good to be back.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I just think that someone showing patriotism while their country is doing things that are not in their long term best interest is stupid.
    Long term best interest is a vague notion--and not easily defined.

    People should stand up for what they believe is right. They should articulate their beliefs forcefully, whether they agree or disagree with the majority.

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    Re: Is dissent the highest form of patriotism?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Oh, there's no denying that there's a lot of dumb dissent out there. Still, if someone disagrees with the status quo, for whatever reason, without a little dissent, nothing will ever get done about the status quo.

    I look at it this way--without dissent, this country would not exist. Dissent may not always be right, but it's always necessary--and that is why I put it at the top.
    Dissent without action is useless. Sitting at home bitching about democrats, or republicans, or politicians, is worthless. Action is needed.

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