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    Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americans?

    Should former presidents travel to unfriendly hostile countries to try to release captured Americans?

    In my opinion Americans who willingly travel to hostile countries should get no assistance. Especially help from former presidents. We do not need to add a former president to their captured Americans collection.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should former presidents travel to unfriendly hostile countries to try to release captured Americans?
    If they can be helpful in the situation, I don't see why not.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should former presidents travel to unfriendly hostile countries to try to release captured Americans?

    In my opinion Americans who willingly travel to hostile countries should get no assistance. Especially help from former presidents. We do not need to add a former president to their captured Americans collection.
    North Korea wasn't stupid enough to kidnap Bill Clinton.

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    North Korea wasn't stupid enough to kidnap Bill Clinton.
    What can we do to them if they did kidnap Clinton? The fact we have an Armistice with North Korea basically means we have a stalemate with then and even if we didn't have Afghanistan and Iraq North Korea still wouldn't have to worry about us doing anything. We shouldn't give any hostile country a chance to upgrade their hostages.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What can we do to them if they did kidnap Clinton? The fact we have an Armistice with North Korea basically means we have a stalemate with then and even if we didn't have Afghanistan and Iraq North Korea still wouldn't have to worry about us doing anything.
    We can bomb them; the bottom line is almost every country isn't stupid enough to kidnap a president, north Korea is a prime example.

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by pro-bipartisan View Post
    We can bomb them; the bottom line is almost every country isn't stupid enough to kidnap a president, north Korea is a prime example.
    Your willing to go to war for one man? North Korea does not have a tiny Army(1.2 million and a quarter of their GNP spent on the military) and have China and Russia as its allies.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Former presidents have several distinct advantages in dealing with international situations.

    1. They retain the aura of having been President, so there is great personal gravitas even without official portfolio.
    2. They are unofficial, so everything that is said is deniable.
    3. Often, they have personal knowledge of the parties involved, from their time at center stage.

    Should an ex-President be sent in all cases? No, of course not. However, when there is a situation that presents some delicacy (and dealing with a pariah nuclear-armed state is nothing if not delicate), they are perhaps better situated than other diplomats to contend with the situation.

    ex-Presidents have been part of America's unofficial diplomatic corps since the founding of the Republic, and will always be thus.

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    People should not expect their gov't to rescue them from their own stupidity.

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should former presidents travel to unfriendly hostile countries to try to release captured Americans?

    In my opinion Americans who willingly travel to hostile countries should get no assistance. Especially help from former presidents. We do not need to add a former president to their captured Americans collection.
    Why not? They send ambassadors all the time and that is what a former president can be. Just because they were once President doesn't mean they should still be kept in a locked box. They have the experiance needed and the knowledge to deal with situations such as the one with the journalists and N.Korea. What danger is there that an ordinary ambassador doesn't face all the time? I doubt that they would try to kidnap a former President just to get codes as those are more than likely changed each and every time that there is a new President elected. State secrets? Possible. But I would imagine that the possiblity that we would go to war for such a kidnapping. And while N.Korea may have a very limited use of nukes they would not beable to hit us here in the US. But we CAN hit them. Allies won't mean crap if you are evaporated.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    People should not expect their gov't to rescue them from their own stupidity.
    So it was stupid of Clinton to go help get the release of those journalists? Who would you rather have gone to negotiate for their release? Clinton or Obama? Sometimes it takes more than just an ambassador to accomplish things.
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