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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    The women were fool hearty and Clinton, as a former POTUS, has no obligation to help them.
    I think that's a remarkably cold attitude. Isn't protecting American citizens the one thing that liberals and conservatives can agree is an important function of our government?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad
    Think of the other silly Yanks who are being held in foreign jails. No one is helping them.
    If they're convicted of real crimes, then probably not. But if they're arrested or convicted of stupid **** like this, you can bet that the State Department works overtime to secure their release.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Those gals did nothing wrong. Others more than likely have. You break a law then you deserve no help. You don't then you deserve help.
    Didn't they trespass into NorKo territory?

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    Didn't they trespass into NorKo territory?
    It isn't clear if they actually did or not. The China-DPRK border area where they were arrested is not clearly marked. If they did, it was certainly not intentional. And given North Korea's habit of crossing its borders to abduct anyone who wanders too close, I certainly wouldn't put it past them to do it in this case.

    Besides, what kind of illegal entry charge warrants 12 years of hard labor?
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Besides, what kind of illegal entry charge warrants 12 years of hard labor?
    If I remember correctly (and DON'T quote me on this) it had something to do with them being "spies".
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    If I remember correctly (and DON'T quote me on this) it had something to do with them being "spies".
    Ya. North Korea claimed that they were spies for the American government, although they were only formally convicted of illegally crossing the border. In any case, it's ridiculous and the US government has a responsibility to protect its citizens.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Yea they probably thought every country has border enforcement like we have,move on in get free health care,welfare,social security.

    Now that their back, they'll probably try to sue the government for letting them think that all countries are like us on immigration control.


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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What about them?
    Only reason that hostilities have not resumed is N.Korea has not attacked us directly.
    North Korea has attacked and killed US soldiers directly.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Can they? Sure, why not. If it helps somebody I don't see why not. Is it a bit strange? Yes. Should the Sec of State go instead? Probably. But if the current secretary of state is not very good at the job, I suppose sending someone else to avoid disaster would be fine.

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Can they? Sure, why not. If it helps somebody I don't see why not. Is it a bit strange? Yes. Should the Sec of State go instead? Probably. But if the current secretary of state is not very good at the job, I suppose sending someone else to avoid disaster would be fine.
    I think sending Hillary to North Korea would look too much like diplomatic recognition. Sending Bill allows the illusion that it was just a private trip.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    If it has the chance to be productive and gain the release of our citizens, absolutely.
    *insert profound statement here*

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