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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your willing to go to war for one man? North Korea does not have a tiny Army(1.2 million and a quarter of their GNP spent on the military) and have China and Russia as its allies.
    North Korea basically kidnapped those two journalists. It is quite probable they were on the China side of the Yalu river when the North Koreans grabbed them.

    If any nation kidnaps one American like that, yeah, that's a cause for war.

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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should former presidents travel to unfriendly hostile countries to try to release captured Americans?

    In my opinion Americans who willingly travel to hostile countries should get no assistance. Especially help from former presidents. We do not need to add a former president to their captured Americans collection.
    The United States has had enemies before, but in the 200+ years that we have been a nation, no country (to my knowledge) has ever held a President of the United States hostage. As crazy as certain world leaders are, they are smart enough to know better than to kidnap such a high-profile figure.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your willing to go to war for one man?
    If the man is someone as high-profile as Bill Clinton, absolutely.

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    The size of their military is irrelevant; they are poorly trained and poorly equipped, and most likely have no morale whatsoever. I'd be more concerned about the nuclear weapons.

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    and have China and Russia as its allies.
    Do you really believe that China and Russia would stand by North Korea if they kidnapped Bill Clinton?
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    I have no problem with it. It takes a real backbone to do something like that.

    Backbone is something every American president needs.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So it was stupid of Clinton to go help get the release of those journalists?.
    Yes.

    Who would you rather have gone to negotiate for their release?
    No one.

    Clinton or Obama?
    Neither. Since those journalist were stupid enough to go to or near North Korea they should expect no help from the US. I do not think we should risk allowing any country to upgrade its hostages.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If the man is someone as high-profile as Bill Clinton, absolutely.
    Thousands of our men for one life. That seems to not place any value on the lives of our solders and marines.

    The size of their military is irrelevant; they are poorly trained and poorly equipped, and most likely have no morale whatsoever.
    Have you been to North Korea,any news article detailing exactly what their military has and how their military is trained? If there military was irrelevant then we wouldn't be in this 50 year plus armistice/standoff with North Korea. The US is not going to go to war with North Korea.




    Do you really believe that China and Russia would stand by North Korea if they kidnapped Bill Clinton?
    Maybe. Do you think China only needs American to buy their goods?
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Neither. Since those journalist were stupid enough to go to or near North Korea they should expect no help from the US. I do not think we should risk allowing any country to upgrade its hostages.
    They're journalists. But more important they are American Citizens. Weather stupid or not the government has an obligation to extricate them...forcibly if necessary. They did the right thing by negotiating first.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should former presidents travel to unfriendly hostile countries to try to release captured Americans?

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    Within sensible limits, yes.

    I don't think we should be sending Truman or Eisenhower, though.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Thousands of our men for one life. That seems to not place any value on the lives of our solders and marines.
    Ever heard of Saving Private Ryan? Based on a true story.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Have you been to North Korea,any news article detailing exactly what their military has and how their military is trained? If there military was irrelevant then we wouldn't be in this 50 year plus armistice/standoff with North Korea. The US is not going to go to war with North Korea.
    Most of N.Korea's arms are out of date. They would stand no chance against air attacks. Only reason that hostilities have not resumed is N.Korea has not attacked us directly. If the US were to do anything without such an overt move then the US would suffer via political channels.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Maybe. Do you think China only needs American to buy their goods?
    Doubt very seriously that China would step in as it would be too costly to them via political channels. Especially since N.Korea would be in the wrong...and seriously...would N.Korea really be worth China's time to save? Oh sure China might say something..but do anything? Doubtful.
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    Re: Should former presidents travel to enemy countries to try to free captured Americ

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ever heard of Saving Private Ryan? Based on a true story.
    I thought that stupid and a waste of soldiers.

    Most of N.Korea's arms are out of date.
    They are not using bows and arrows.


    They would stand no chance against air attacks. Only reason that hostilities have not resumed is N.Korea has not attacked us directly.
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