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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    In all the Canadian big cities, you need to apply to the city to cut down big trees on your property, and I'm in favor of this rule. There are sometimes legitimate reasons, but growing a garden is not one of them. If you want to remove a precious wildlife resource from an area that already has few trees, you better plan to replace it with something just as valuable.

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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    I wonder if cutting interlocking fire breaks across the entire forested land area would reduce the size of these fires?
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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I wonder if cutting interlocking fire breaks across the entire forested land area would reduce the size of these fires?
    In some dark office on the 36th floor of a featureless office building, a 4th year litigation associate who works on matters for Weyerhaeuser just had a brilliant idea.
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    fyi Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think the more appropriate question is "how much less would you pay for property next door to someone with laissez faire property?"
    You mean, how much MORE would I pay?" That is, assuming that my own property was also laissez faire.

    If he appreciated his property's value and sincerely upheld the live and let live doctrine, that neighbor would be a valuable asset and an enhancement to my own property's value. He would stand by me in future proposals to impose regulations.

    On the other hand, if I had a neighbor who was a complainer about what other people did with their property, he would be a serious liability and a de-valuation of my property.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post

    The answer is that I would pay much less. Maybe my neighbor to the back of me only wants to raise 4 pigs this year but maybe he will be decide to raise 400 next year.

    My neighbor to the south has not updated his septic system for years. We drilled a new well further away from his place.

    My neighbor to the north is a fisherman and his wife is a crab picker. Their compost is plenty fragrant!

    Oh yeh, I forgot to mention that I live in Maine where zoning is almost nonexistent and I bought my little farm for next to nothing.
    1. What are the odds of a neighbor raising 400 pigs? About a zillion to one?

    2. How far was your old well from his septic system? Was it less than 100 feet? Did your old well get contaminated. Could you prove it was from his septic system?

    3. How far is your neighbor's compost from your home? Is it "plenty fragrant" at your home, or is it only when next to it?

    4. Zoning almost nonexistent? Great. Bought it for next to nothing? Also great. How many acres? You could probably sell it for a nice profit. If Maine winters weren't so harsh, I might even buy it myself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    We moved to Maine because it is has a laissez faire attitude about property rights AND low prices....
    So you DO like laissez faire. Congratulations. I'm sure that enduring your neighbors' septic systems and compost is not nearly as undesirable as being molested by "swarms of officers" coming to harass you and "eat out your substance."


    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I was thinking more along the lines of "reasonable" restrictions.

    I would prefer a neighborhood that restricts the worst while allowing everything else....
    A lot of people fall for "reasonable." Unfortunately, you can't precisely define it in legal terms. It is the nature of government to overregulate and add to the misery. Let the camel stick his nose under your tent, and the next thing you see is him inside defacating all over your $500,000 Persian rug.


    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Next time I buy property, I'm looking for something that is next door to nobody. A good neighbor is one at shouting distance and no closer.
    Good idea. That minimizes the danger of being next to a busybody.


    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    ...People are funny with property and regulations, they think government should exist to protect their investment.
    I want to be protected from criminals and government intrusions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I agree that there is or should be a reasonable standard....
    The irony, for those who favor small gov't and local control, is that like minded people will choose to vote in the restrictions and amenities that help to maintain a homogenous affluent community. It is certainly not a "liberal" or big gov't impulse. It is a tribal /wealth impulse.
    Again, the camel and the tent.

    A person who is genuinely small government understands the importance of keeping it small and would strongly oppose incentives to make it bigger.

    Of all things I can imagine devaluing property, government intrusions would be at the very top of the list.


    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    In areas where properties are closer together, regulation is needed, especially in suburban centres. In rural areas, I don't see the problem with a more laissez faire approach....
    That's my primary reason for choosing a rural area. Giving up conveniences is well worth it.


    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    ...Sometimes what you do on your property affects my property or my life. If you are going to open a pig farm on your property I won't pay a dime for the property next to you.
    I believe in the sanctity of private property. You have your property. I have mine. You build and manage your home as you like. I do likewise.

    Unless something I do physically intrudes (trespasses) onto
    your property, you should not complain. If I let my sewage drain onto your property, you have a legitimate complaint. We already have laws against trespassing, even with unregulated property.

    But nobody should complain about a person's home or property being unsightly or being different from his.

    And why is everybody obsessed with pig farms? I'd be a lot more concerned about things put up by government--a prison, airport, or (heaven forbid) a public housing project.

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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    If you have a large area of land with extremely low population densities, then you don't need a lot of regulations in terms of what property owners can and cannot do with their property.

    Being we had less than 4 million people in the country at our founding, that was the case. Of course, just because there were no federal regulations on property usage at our founding, does not mean that many localities did not have rather onerous regulations.

    We have some 300 million people in this country today. Our resource usage per-capita is much higher than it was 200 years ago. Unless we all want to live in an environmental hell hole, we have go to have environmental regulations on what you can and cannot do with your property. After all, essentially property is almost always a temporary holding for each generation. If we all just take a "take it, rape it, it's yours" view toward property, then we are not leaving much for future generations. At out founding, 4 million people could do just that, we can't do that today with 300 million people.
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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    You mean, how much MORE would I pay?" That is, assuming that my own property was also laissez faire.
    No, that's not exactly how things work. The entire point of zoning law is to stabilize property value.

    Property next to laissez faire property will always be worth less than property next to property with an average amount of restrictions.
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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    There is probably more, a lot more to this $1,000.00 mandated percolation test and excessive fee.

    I expect the truth only from me, no one else.

    No question.... many bureaucrats and people do not know when to stop.
    Its also true that they do not know when to start.

    Or would you enjoy living on Love Canal, New York State, as I recall ??
    Don't like regulations ?
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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    You mean, how much MORE would I pay?" That is, assuming that my own property was also laissez faire.

    If he appreciated his property's value and sincerely upheld the live and let live doctrine, that neighbor would be a valuable asset and an enhancement to my own property's value. He would stand by me in future proposals to impose regulations.
    It is kind of a silly question, isn't it?

    You are certainly free to pay me a lot more than the appraiser says my property is worth, but he/she will take into consideration the unsightly nature of my neighbor's activities on their property and appraise accordingly.

    But come on down, or up, to Maine ...have I got a deal for you!

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    Re: How much more would you pay for laissez faire property?

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
    A lot of people fall for "reasonable." Unfortunately, you can't precisely define it in legal terms. It is the nature of government to overregulate and add to the misery. Let the camel stick his nose under your tent, and the next thing you see is him inside defecating all over your $500,000 Persian rug.
    The potential is always there.

    But no regulation whatsoever would cause issues.

    I prefer the minimum regulation needed, and no more.

    Not that such ever has happened, nor is it likely to.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronpaulvoter View Post
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    Technically, one could argue that being protected from criminals is a government intrusion.
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