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    Re: What do you want in the Health Reform bill

    Let me point out three very important issues:

    1.) The cost to doing nothing is going to be catastrophic soon, and increasingly difficult to afford for most even sooner. There just is simply no more time left to stick our heads in the sand. The system ran amok, and everyone has to accept at some point there will be changes that will not please all. The alternative is that we will have a failed system, not just a couple of corporations.

    2.) So with that said, I understand there is components in the bill that not everyone likes. First off, not too sound too rude, but elections matter. The people spoke in 2006 and 2008. Healthcare reform, and the options proposed are not really a big surprise unless one had their head in the sand the past few years. So while I understand people can be opposed, but the level we have seen of opposition as of late is getting out of hand everywhere with everyone on every side.

    People should first concentrate on what they find acceptable, and agree to it. Then find the components in the bills that they could seek further compromise, then compromise. Lastly take the components that bring the most opposition, and offer an alternative. That is the American way, or the way it is suppose to be. Although I am not too naive to think this can happen, which is why in some regards I wonder if a multi-party parliamentary system would not fit us better in this day and age.

    3.) I think people need to be better informed, and actively following unbiased source of information along with their partisan preferences. The amount of distortions, lies, falsehoods, inaccuracies, ignorance, confusion, etc.. is higher with this issue than any other I have ever seen in my life, and I am sadly no longer young. A good example is while the Huffington Post may be entertaining, they are however filtering to some degree the information provided. I would be equally as ignorant by simply reading only that source. BBC, Politico, NYT, WP, Politifact, Factcheck, Time, Newsweek, and others have given fairly good accurate reporting on what the issues are, what is involved, and what is being proposed. Simply following Limbaugh or Daily Kos only leaves you as ignorant as when you entered the room. Partisan news is designed by it's nature to inform you only what is good for them, not what it is accurate or complete.

    The state of our current healthcare system, and the direction it is going to be in just a couple of years is probably the most important issue I have seen in my lifetime. I don' need to post my age, but allow me to say I have seen quite a lot through the years, and nothing compares to this issue. It really does make issues like Cap and Trade make me want to laugh, as I can guarantee you in a few years nobody will even remember Cap and Trade (kind of like they have already forgotten that we already have had Cap and Trade before...and it worked better than anyone thought it would... supporters included). But HCR is much different because the problems are now just too great, we sat for too long with politicians not willing to do what is required of them. Politicians who cared more about re-election that taking on tough issues...imagine that.

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    Re: What do you want in the Health Reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Let me point out three very important issues:

    1.) The cost to doing nothing is going to be catastrophic soon, and increasingly difficult to afford for most even sooner. There just is simply no more time left to stick our heads in the sand. The system ran amok, and everyone has to accept at some point there will be changes that will not please all. The alternative is that we will have a failed system, not just a couple of corporations..
    I disagree.Who says "something" has to be socialized medicine. Why not find other ways to actually make medical care cheaper?



    2.) So with that said, I understand there is components in the bill that not everyone likes. First off, not too sound too rude, but elections matter. The people spoke in 2006 and 2008. Healthcare reform, and the options proposed are not really a big surprise unless one had their head in the sand the past few years. So while I understand people can be opposed, but the level we have seen of opposition as of late is getting out of hand everywhere with everyone on every side.

    People should first concentrate on what they find acceptable, and agree to it. Then find the components in the bills that they could seek further compromise, then compromise. Lastly take the components that bring the most opposition, and offer an alternative. That is the American way, or the way it is suppose to be. Although I am not too naive to think this can happen, which is why in some regards I wonder if a multi-party parliamentary system would not fit us better in this day and age.

    People opposed to it feel it is not the governments business to handle medicine.

    3.) I think people need to be better informed, and actively following unbiased source of information along with their partisan preferences.
    There is no such thing as a totally unbiased source. This idea of a source being unbiased is laughable.
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    Re: What do you want in the Health Reform bill

    If they just wanted to create a government program that took care of people unable to get insurance, for whatever reason, that wouldn't be so bad. And they left the private sector alone. There are plenty of people happy with their healthcare as is, and there is no reason to change that.

    But the atrocities that are being bandied about in the halls of Congress are nothing short of the government doing what it can to destroy the private sector and force everybody onto a public plan at some point.
    "Loyalty only matters when there's a hundred reasons not to be-" Gen. Mattis

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    Re: What do you want in the Health Reform bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    As the bill currently makes its way trough committee, there are 4 scenarios that could happen to this bill. Starting from the left extreme, to the status quo.

    1. Universal Health Care

    This is Obama's home run folks. Also, the worst of the worst from a conservative standpoint. The government hires, pays, and fires doctors and all medical professionals, to the exclusion of any private investment or competing businesses.

    2. National Health Insurance

    Probably the very most the democrat leadership can accomplish realistically. With or without the republicans. Even then it would be watered-down with politi-speak that would favor health insurance companies(or, at least just the big-corrupt companies).

    3. General Health Reform

    No more than your general bill that passes through congress to do...something...In the end, nothing to worry about, just your average waste of money.

    4. Dies

    Waterloo. No further explanation needed.
    Personally, I want the Govt. to STAY OUT of Healthcare, the Medical Field in general. Most of all, my Wallet.

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