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Obama care will lead to another repub revolution?

Will Republicans surge back into power

  • Yes, 2010 Republicans take back Congress

    Votes: 8 32.0%

  • No, Democrats will hold power for the next decade

    Votes: 9 36.0%

  • Other Explain

    Votes: 8 32.0%

  • Third Party will surge into power

    Votes: 0 0.0%
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OxymoronP

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We saw it in 1994 when Clinton tried to push his leftist agenda through, the Repubs reestablished themselves and took back the halls of power. The American people in my estimation are conservative and value individuality, the silent majority will be back in power in my opinion soon enough. What do you guys think?

Personally I wish there were at least 2 more parties in our system.
 
OxymoronP said:
We saw it in 1994 when Clinton tried to push his leftist agenda through, the Repubs reestablished themselves and took back the halls of power. The American people in my estimation are conservative and value individuality, the silent majority will be back in power in my opinion soon enough. What do you guys think?

Personally I wish there were at least 2 more parties in our system.
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Even those in America who where dying to see the Democracts come into power and change the damage made by former Republican GW Bush and change there policies and foriegn policies from there republican counterparts, are becoming more and more reluctant to stand by Obama and his health care plan and his economic policies and are beginning to miss the good old Republican days. Who knows. If the Republicans can have a more hands out, fairer foriegn policy approach to places like Iran the way Obama has (Bush never established communications with Ahmedinejad which i think was a mistake), and can find someone to lead them with brains this time, they'll undoubtably return to power in the next elections; unless Obama can pull off a miracle.
 
There will be a conservative backlash...there is already a conservative backlash.

Whether the anger will sustain through 2010 to carry Republicans back into the majority is debatable. Right now, there is no galvanizing leader as there was in 1994--no Newt Gingrich to formulate and articulate the Contract with America.

That is the signature missing element. When the Republicans find their Congressional spokesman of the moment, the Anti-Republicans will have much to fear.
 
I think Democrats will win the next general election purely because the Republicans haven't organized themselves to stand against the Dems.
It reminds me of what happened when Labour came into power, Conservatives went into a state of internal warfare idiotically removing people who were seen as moderate and moved right, unable to accept that they were no longer in power and waited for the country to see how bad Blair truly was instead of setting out to correct the mistakes they made. It was seen as the nasty party and it has taken 12 years for them to shake off that image.

If Republicans drop the social conservatism and just focus on fiscal responsibility, move back to what the party originally stood for. Leave Gay marriage and Abortion to the states as they claim they want it to happen.
The Republican party drifted away from what should have been its core principles during the Bush years and racked up a enormous debt and spending so in doing so i think they lost any ground to preach to Democrats
 
If Republicans drop the social conservatism and just focus on fiscal responsibility, move back to what the party originally stood for. Leave Gay marriage and Abortion to the states as they claim they want it to happen.
The Republican party drifted away from what should have been its core principles during the Bush years and racked up a enormous debt and spending so in doing so i think they lost any ground to preach to Democrats
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I agree with you 100%.
 
In the next election, fewer people will vote, period. People were disillusioned with the Republicans, now they are disillusioned with the Democrats. It has come full circle.

A third option is desperately needed.
 
Orius said:
In the next election, fewer people will vote, period. People were disillusioned with the Republicans, now they are disillusioned with the Democrats. It has come full circle.

A third option is desperately needed.
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You won't get an argument from me on that analysis.

Laila said:
I think Democrats will win the next general election purely because the Republicans haven't organized themselves to stand against the Dems.
It reminds me of what happened when Labour came into power, Conservatives went into a state of internal warfare idiotically removing people who were seen as moderate and moved right, unable to accept that they were no longer in power and waited for the country to see how bad Blair truly was instead of setting out to correct the mistakes they made. It was seen as the nasty party and it has taken 12 years for them to shake off that image.
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The analysis here is good, but I think the ire of the voting public is the key factor, unless the Republicans run a bunch of complete idiots there will be some gains, albeit it is too early to tell if those gains turn into a majority or at least recapturing some lost ground.

Laila said:
If Republicans drop the social conservatism and just focus on fiscal responsibility, move back to what the party originally stood for. Leave Gay marriage and Abortion to the states as they claim they want it to happen.
The Republican party drifted away from what should have been its core principles during the Bush years and racked up a enormous debt and spending so in doing so i think they lost any ground to preach to Democrats
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You are 100% correct here in my opinion.
 
Orius said:
In the next election, fewer people will vote, period. People were disillusioned with the Republicans, now they are disillusioned with the Democrats. It has come full circle.

A third option is desperately needed.
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No a third and fourth fifth option is needed.
In a nation so large and diverse to only have 2 choices is idiotic.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The analysis here is good, but I think the ire of the voting public is the key factor, unless the Republicans run a bunch of complete idiots there will be some gains, albeit it is too early to tell if those gains turn into a majority or at least recapturing some lost ground.

You are 100% correct here in my opinion.
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Indeed it is. The flaw in my assessment is that US political voting differs to UK's, in that Americans can kick it to the leading party sooner. We only have once every 4/5 years to register our dislike and when Blair went to Iraq, 4 years after Labour's majority was halved but they were still in power.

But would it lead to a Republican re emergence? No, not until they start realising they need to go back to the basics and have someone able to unite the party

Ah, that is twice i've been told i am correct. It'll go to my head soon :2razz:
 
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Laila said:
Indeed it is. The flaw in my assessment is that US political voting differs to UK's, in that Americans can kick it to the leading party sooner. We only have once every 4/5 years to register our dislike and when Blair went to Iraq, 4 years after Labour's majority was halved but they were still in power.
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The two year election cycle was a brilliant idea, it allows people to remember and stay angry when they are being abused, kind of like that old saying "time heals all wounds", it's absolutely appropriate in politics, people tend to forget most screw jobs and our politicians are extremely good at changing perception coming into campaign time.

But would it lead to a Republican re emergence? No, not until they start realising they need to go back to the basics and have someone able to unite the party
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True, there is no point in replacing an idiot with another idiot, it's counterproductive.

Ah, that is twice i've been told i am correct. It'll go to my head soon :2razz:
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You're on fire today, you deserve it.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The two year election cycle was a brilliant idea, it allows people to remember and stay angry when they are being abused, kind of like that old saying "time heals all wounds", it's absolutely appropriate in politics, people tend to forget most screw jobs and our politicians are extremely good at changing perception coming into campaign time.

True, there is no point in replacing an idiot with another idiot, it's counterproductive.

You're on fire today, you deserve it.
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Why ty :p

Indeed.
It is one of the greatest things about the US system.
It ensures that people have to go back to the electorate keeping them in touch with public opinion rather than insulated for it.
 
there is reason to believe a 3rd party will rise to power. The conditions parrallel that of Ross Perot's time in 1992/1996. The difference is, the 3rd party, whatever it may be, needs a leader that actually cares about winning.
 
DarkWizard12 said:
there is reason to believe a 3rd party will rise to power. The conditions parrallel that of Ross Perot's time in 1992/1996. The difference is, the 3rd party, whatever it may be, needs a leader that actually cares about winning.
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With the 2 parties having a stranglehold over ballots, there needs to be a powerful movement to dent the ingrained power structure of the Corrupt politicians in both parties.
 
It's possible that Obama will save the economy and make our health care system the envy of the world, no matter what your class. Short of that the pendulum will swing back to the right at least a bit, probably a lot, with the amount dependant on the specifics. I just hope we don't have to endure a half a year of crap about the "death of the democratic party" like we did when the pendulum swung to the left
 
OxymoronP said:
We saw it in 1994 when Clinton tried to push his leftist agenda through, the Repubs reestablished themselves and took back the halls of power. The American people in my estimation are conservative and value individuality, the silent majority will be back in power in my opinion soon enough. What do you guys think?

Personally I wish there were at least 2 more parties in our system.
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I think it's likely that the Republicans will pick up some seats in 2010...but enough to take back Congress? I think the odds are still against them for taking back the House, and I think it's downright impossible for them to take back the Senate.

At any rate, if losing the House is the consequence of universal health care, so be it. This is more important.
 
Kandahar said:
I think it's likely that the Republicans will pick up some seats in 2010...but enough to take back Congress? I think the odds are still against them for taking back the House, and I think it's downright impossible for them to take back the Senate.

At any rate, if losing the House is the consequence of universal health care, so be it. This is more important.
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universal Health care that is being discussed will be worse then what we have now.
 
OxymoronP said:
universal Health care that is being discussed will be worse then what we have now.
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The experience of nearly every other developed country in the world suggests otherwise.
 
OxymoronP said:
We saw it in 1994 when Clinton tried to push his leftist agenda through, the Repubs reestablished themselves and took back the halls of power. The American people in my estimation are conservative and value individuality, the silent majority will be back in power in my opinion soon enough. What do you guys think?

Personally I wish there were at least 2 more parties in our system.
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While the health care debate is loud at the moment, I doubt that the heavy emotion will carry over till the midterm elections. I suspect that what people will be voting on in 2010 is the economy more than anything else, and by a fairly large margin. If democrats push through a health care reform bill this year(getting it out of the daily news cycle next year), and it does not directly negatively effect most voters by election time, I think health care will be mostly a nonissue come election time. I think that the odds of republicans gaining enough seats in congress to significantly change the balance of power is almost zero.
 
No it will not lead to another republican revolution. Reason is pretty simple.. the fragmented leadership of the Republican party... it is a headless chicken at the moment.
 
I don't think the Repubs will take back Congress, but I do believe they will close the gap significantly. And I don't believe it's because they will get their **** together, I think it will be because they don't have 'D' next to their name, which is ironic because the Dems are in power now because they didn't have an 'R' next to their name on the previous ballots.

Yes, a third, fourth and fifth parties are needed. This two party system is killing this country. But rather than just having more parties, I believe we need just one party that pays no attention to special interests.
 
PeteEU said:
No it will not lead to another republican revolution. Reason is pretty simple.. the fragmented leadership of the Republican party... it is a headless chicken at the moment.
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And when you are proven wrong, yet again, will you say you were wrong? How's the weather over there in Spain Petey?
 
P/N said:
And when you are proven wrong, yet again, will you say you were wrong? How's the weather over there in Spain Petey?
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Weather is fine. And if I am proven wrong then I will admit it. But as it stands now, the Republican party is a headless chicken squawking around with no clear policy but to say NO..

that is unless you accept that Rush Limburger is the leader of the Republican party :)
 
Of course.

But it ignores the primary problem of our 2 party system. No one wins because their ideals, their standards and their practices overall are better. They win because the other party hung themselves.

This is the real American descent into oblivion. We keep replacing one horrible party with the other without realizing that we ejected that previous party for the current. Rather then electing good, honest and competition officials and parties, we just look for who in our gold fish memories appears to be better at the time.

The GOP is likely to take back the House in 2010. But that doesn't make them any better of a party.
 
Laila said:
If Republicans drop the social conservatism and just focus on fiscal responsibility, move back to what the party originally stood for. Leave Gay marriage and Abortion to the states as they claim they want it to happen.
The Republican party drifted away from what should have been its core principles during the Bush years and racked up a enormous debt and spending so in doing so i think they lost any ground to preach to Democrats
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Gay marriage is a national issue by the nature of the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the Constitution. No escaping that, it's part of the national structure. A marriage in California has to be recognized in Maine, a driver's license issued in Floriduh! must be valid in Oregon. Too bad for Maine if California lets dykes marry.

Abortion should never have become a federal issue, you're right.

Someone has to stand for moral values. In fact, all politicians have to stand for their definition of morality, money is only one aspect of a culture.

The Democrats have aligned themselves with depravity, dissolution, personal irresonsibility, transference of blame, perpetual white guilt, the nanny state, and failure.

The Republicans are aligned with God, which is unfortunate, because God doesn't exist. They should find a rational morality to build on. The libertarians have it, the GOP should look into it.
 
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