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Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

    Votes: 20 55.6%
  • No. If protesters stop free speech, they should be removed by police.

    Votes: 14 38.9%
  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

    Votes: 6 16.7%

  • Total voters
    36
This whole thread is pretty much a partisan joke.

Where is the evidence supporting this silly accusation that this is fake? This is all (including the press secretary) nothing but speculation. :roll:

People protest and it is their right to do so whether you think it is fake or not.


Reprint of my earlier response to this question:

"This topic is not an attempt to prove anything. It is meant purely see where we stand on attempts to inhibit First Amendment rights of others, if that is taking place.

Is it OK to do that? (interfere with the free speech rights of others)"
 
How are these protesters that you claim to be fake hindering free speech?
By yelling & disrupting for the expressed purpose of preventing the speaker from being heard.





Are they hollering off the top of their lungs to prevent others from hearing what someone is saying or trying to intimidate people?
Many are. Watch the tapes



What makes them fake? Do you think those who are protesting somehow do not believe a word of what they are saying?
For the purpose of this topic (What IF they are fake) that does not matter.

Off topic, but to answer your question:
From my personal perspective, (& many..many others....)When I read memos disseminated across the country telling people to disrupt meetings, hearing protesters yell "canned" lines at the speaker, seeing the same people show up at widely decentralized meetings doing exactly what the memos encourage them to do, I have my doubts......& so should you.
& yes, I do not think these orchestrated protesters believe a word they are yelling, but are simply being paid by their masters to protect the disgustingly high profits of the health care industry. Their intent is to drown out reformers who want a Fair & affordable system made available to every citizen.
 
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Devil505,


Please link to anytime you critisized left wing protesters. ever.



hypocrisy noted.
 
Devil505,


Please link to anytime you critisized left wing protesters. ever.



hypocrisy noted.

You insist on pretending that you don't understand the point of this thread which is What IF fake protesters are inserted into a political meeting for the purpose of preventing the speakers from exercising their First Amendment rights.....Is this ok, regardless of which side may be doing it?

If you refuse to stay on topic, your future posts will not be responded to.
 
You insist on pretending that you don't understand the point of this thread which is What IF fake protesters are inserted into a political meeting for the purpose of preventing the speakers from exercising their First Amendment rights.....Is this ok, regardless of which side may be doing it?

If you refuse to stay on topic, your future posts will not be responded to.




What if Obama smokes crack and does the gay sex?



your thread starts on a lie. Yes you are being generic now, but you used that as a vehicle to continue spouting your lie about people who dare protest against your president.


That said, I take your refusal to show you had the same problems with left wing protesters as proof of your hypocrisy... Have a nice day.
 
By yelling & disrupting for the expressed purpose of preventing the speaker from being heard.


Many are. Watch the tapes.

Does it matter if they are real protesters or fake protesters(as you have claimed without offering any evidence to support your claim,people also claimed the tea parties are fake too without offering any evidence as well) if they are doing this? My right to free speech does not give the right to grab a megaphone and go to a rally for something I disagree with and shout down the people speaking so that no one care hear those people speaking,nor does it give me the right to intimidate people from speaking or throw things at them.


For the purpose of this topic (What IF they are fake) that does not matter.

Off topic, but to answer your question:
From my personal perspective, (& many..many others....)When I read memos disseminated across the country telling people to disrupt meetings, hearing protesters yell "canned" lines at the speaker, seeing the same people show up at widely decentralized meetings doing exactly what the memos encourage them to do, I have my doubts......& so should you.
& yes, I do not think these orchestrated protesters believe a word they are yelling, but are simply being paid by their masters to protect the disgustingly high profits of the health care industry. Their intent is to drown out reformers who want a Fair & affordable system made available to every citizen

The thread title in which you made is asking should fake/orchestrated protesters curb free speech in this country and in you opening post you name the people protesting against socialist medicine. So it is relevant to ask for evidence that these protesters are fake. You just do not make a accusation and say it doesn't matter.
 
My right to free speech does not give the right to grab a megaphone and go to a rally for something I disagree with and shout down the people speaking so that no one care hear those people speaking,nor does it give me the right to intimidate people from speaking or throw things at them.
Agree completely.




The thread title in which you made is asking should fake/orchestrated protesters curb free speech in this country and in you opening post you name the people protesting against socialist medicine. So it is relevant to ask for evidence that these protesters are fake. You just do not make a accusation and say it doesn't matter.

I mention the health care rally protesters simply as timely & highly suspicious examples of what may be organized efforts to quell free speech in this country, to gauge this forum's views on whether or not this type of activity should be allowed.
 
Agree completely.






I mention the health care rally protesters simply as timely & highly suspicious examples of what may be organized efforts to quell free speech in this country, to gauge this forum's views on whether or not this type of activity should be allowed.




What suspicious examples? You are long on accusation, devoid of evidence.
 
Agree completely.

Should it matter if the protesters are grass roots or organized by politicians and talk show pundits if they engaging in intimidation and silencing/shooting down or blocking access to somewhere tactics?

I mention the health care rally protesters simply as timely & highly suspicious examples of what may be organized efforts to quell free speech in this country, to gauge this forum's views on whether or not this type of activity should be allowed.

If you are going to point fingers then you should say why and offer evidence to support your claim, not since there and make the accusation and claim it doesn't matter.
 
What suspicious examples? You are long on accusation, devoid of evidence.




Again, off topic ...but I will respond

Are you denying:
the leaked memos calling for these protests?
White House Press Sec. Gibbs suspicions, voiced at the briefing yesterday? C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics
MSNBC's, CBS News (Charlie Gibson last night),m etc
The canned questions being yelled?

I may have been born at night......But it wasn't Last Night!
 
Again, off topic ...but I will respond

Are you denying:
the leaked memos calling for these protests?

Prove that all these people were part of anything other than a group of concerned citizens. FAIL #1

White House Press Sec. Gibbs suspicions, voiced at the briefing yesterday? C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics


suspicion=speculation=not fact FAIL #2


MSNBC's, CBS News (Charlie Gibson last night),m etc
The canned questions being yelled?


Link or FAIL #3


I may have been born at night......But it wasn't Last Night!



Wherever it was you were born, obviously, it was a place devoid of actual FACTS


FAIL #4
 
Should it matter if the protesters are grass roots or organized by politicians and talk show pundits if they engaging in intimidation and silencing/shooting down or blocking access to somewhere tactics?

Decisions on whether or not to prosecute should be, yes.



If you are going to point fingers then you should say why and offer evidence to support your claim, not since there and make the accusation and claim it doesn't matter.
Again, that question is for another thread. This thread is simply asking a "What If" question.
 
Prove that all these people were part of anything other than a group of concerned citizens. FAIL #1




suspicion=speculation=not fact FAIL #2








Link or FAIL #3






Wherever it was you were born, obviously, it was a place devoid of actual FACTS


FAIL #4


Continued off topic post.
 
Continued off topic post.




I accept your concession that you are long on speculation and bloviating vitriol, and devoid of actual facts.....


I am sorry you have to lie about what the topic is about, did you not bring up your speculation in the 1st post? FAIL


Didn't they used to say.... THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE! :lol:
 
Decisions on whether or not to prosecute should be, yes.

So if I start a grass roots campaign and threw pies at Nancy Pelosi to shut her up or get her event cancled,shouted down President Obama so that no one can here him speak, and blocked access to an abortion clinic so that selfish self centered ****s can not kill their children with a group of people we should get off scott free while if a talk show host or politician does the same exact thing he should get thrown in jail? It seems to me that both groups or at least the offenders in those groups should be prosecuted for those actions. Politicians and talk show pundits are American citizens too and as American citizens have the right to organize protest,speak their mind,believe what ever religion they want to, have the right to keep and bear arms and other constitutional rights. It seems what you want is to deny constitutional rights to talk show host and politicians.


Again, that question is for another thread. This thread is simply asking a "What If" question.

Not that question is not for another thread. You do not make a baseless accusation as part of your thread topic and not offer any evidence.
 
Not that question is not for another thread. You do not make a baseless accusation as part of your thread topic and not offer any evidence.



Exactly. He wants to not be held responsible for his outlandish untrue speculation, I.E. lies.
 
I accept your concession that you are long on speculation and bloviating vitriol, and devoid of actual facts.....


I am sorry you have to lie about what the topic is about, did you not bring up your speculation in the 1st post? FAIL


Didn't they used to say.... THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE! :lol:

Yeah I suppose to you it wouldn;t matter that some of these people do not even live in the districts now would it?
Local Fox Reporter Attends Town Hall And Finds ‘Some Attendees Admit They Don’t Live In The District’

Nor would Rep. Steve Kagen, whose town hall was targeted by the Wisconsin chapter of Americans for Prosperity matter at all.

Golly jeepers, now you do know who Americans for Prosperity are right?

But wait kiddies, it gets better. Disgraced scumbag Rick Scott is jumping into the ring..yippee.
Anti-Reform Group Takes Credit For Helping Gin Up Town Hall Rallies
Conservatives for Patients’ Rights, the operation that’s running a national campaign against a public health care option, is now publicly taking credit for helping gin up the sometimes-rowdy outbursts targeting House Dems at town hall meetings around the country, raising questions about their spontaneity.

CPR is the group headed by controversial former hospitals exec Rick Scott that’s spending millions on ads attacking reform in all sorts of lurid ways, a campaign that’s being handled by the same P.R. mavens behind the Swift Boat Vets.
Why is this the same Rick Scott, the fraudster?

Hey, I wonder if he happens to know Bob MacGuffie? You know Bob, author of such great hits such as "Rocking the Town Halls: Best Practices". Well Americans for Prosperity are now trying to distance themselves, so even if we buy their story, I wonder who Bob is exactly working for now? FreedomWorks Foundation? Galen Institute?

I wonder what Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) had to say:
This mob, sent by the local Republican and Libertarian parties, did not come just to be heard, but to deny others the right to be heard. And this appears to be part of a coordinated, nationwide effort. What could be more appropriate for the “party of no” than having its stalwarts drowning out the voices of their neighbors by screaming “just say no!” Their fanatical insistence on repealing Social Security and Medicare is not just about halting health care reform but rolling back 75 years of progress. I am more committed than ever to win approval of legislation to offer more individual choice to access affordable health care. An effective public plan is essential to achieve that goal.
- Golly Lloyd, I wonder if this is because you happen to have been in the most liberal area of Texas....I guess it did seem odd when a bunch of people from another district come in to drown out any chance for your constituents to be heard.
 
So if I start a grass roots campaign and threw pies at Nancy Pelosi to shut her up or get her event cancled,shouted down President Obama so that no one can here him speak, and blocked access to an abortion clinic so that selfish self centered ****s can not kill their children with a group of people we should get off scott free while if a talk show host or politician does the same exact thing he should get thrown in jail? It seems to me that both groups or at least the offenders in those groups should be prosecuted for those actions. Politicians and talk show pundits are American citizens too and as American citizens have the right to organize protest,speak their mind,believe what ever religion they want to, have the right to keep and bear arms and other constitutional rights. It seems what you want is to deny constitutional rights to talk show host and politicians.
My belief is that any citizen has the First Amendment right to speak his mind. If he/she is creating a public nuisance & blocking the free speech rights of others, that would be cause for removal from the scene.
If, on the other hand, it can be proved that said protest was performed for the purpose of blocking the First Amendment rights of others,in a coordinated way, prosecution may be in order. (that decision would be made case by case , taking into account flagrancy, weight of evidence, etc. Keep in mind that the loud protester should not have the right to infringe on MY First Amendment right!...Any argument there?)
 
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Yeah I suppose to you it wouldn;t matter that some of these people do not even live in the districts now would it?
Local Fox Reporter Attends Town Hall And Finds ‘Some Attendees Admit They Don’t Live In The District’

Nor would Rep. Steve Kagen, whose town hall was targeted by the Wisconsin chapter of Americans for Prosperity matter at all.

Golly jeepers, now you do know who Americans for Prosperity are right?

But wait kiddies, it gets better. Disgraced scumbag Rick Scott is jumping into the ring..yippee.
Anti-Reform Group Takes Credit For Helping Gin Up Town Hall Rallies
Why is this the same Rick Scott, the fraudster?

Hey, I wonder if he happens to know Bob MacGuffie? You know Bob, author of such great hits such as "Rocking the Town Halls: Best Practices". Well Americans for Prosperity are now trying to distance themselves, so even if we buy their story, I wonder who Bob is exactly working for now? FreedomWorks Foundation? Galen Institute?

I wonder what Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) had to say:
- Golly Lloyd, I wonder if this is because you happen to have been in the most liberal area of Texas....I guess it did seem odd when a bunch of people from another district come in to drown out any chance for your constituents to be heard.





Have any main stream sources or will propaganda be your only contribution to your nonsense?
 
My belief is that any citizen has the First Amendment right to speak his mind. If he/she is creating a public nuisance & blocking the free speech rights of others, that would be cause for removal from the scene.
If, on the other hand, it can be proved that said protest was performed for the purpose of blocking the First Amendment rights of others,in a coordinated way, prosecution may be in order. (that decision would be made case by case , taking into account flagrancy, weight of evidence, etc. Keep in mind that the loud protester should not have the right to infringe on MY First Amendment right!...Any argument there?)

It sounds like you are talking about counter protesters for the most part? They have as much right to protest as the original protesters.
 
My belief is that any citizen has the First Amendment right to speak his mind. If he/she is creating a public nuisance & blocking the free speech rights of others, that would be cause for removal from the scene.
If, on the other hand, it can be proved that said protest was performed for the purpose of blocking the First Amendment rights of others, prosecution may be in order. (that decision would be made case by case , taking into account flagrancy, weight of evidence, etc. Keep in mind that the loud protester should not have the right to infringe on MY First Amendment right!...Any argument there?)

Then why should it matter if the protesters were grassroots or organized by politicians or talk show pundits? When anti-war scum try to block military recruiters or shut down a recruiting office or when pro-illegals scum try to shout down a politician or cause a ruckus to get the event canceled or when liberal scum throw pie at a conservative media personality to make her leave, is it not intentional on their part and that it is clear that they know what they are doing? The types of protesters is irrelevant to their actions, there is no such thing as a fake protester unless that protester was or made paid to protest for something he or she didn't believe in and even then being paid to protest doesn't mean its fake, the constitution does not ban professional protesters.
 
Absurd!...You don/'t consider his Fox News link main stream?

(I'll play your childish game: Check & Mate!)
;)

Of course he would not consider that, nor would he even bother to look any further. Ignorance is bliss you know
 
It sounds like you are talking about counter protesters for the most part? They have as much right to protest as the original protesters.

I agree....but does ANY protester have the right to prevent MY First Amendment rights?
 
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