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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Again, off topic ...but I will respond

    Are you denying:
    the leaked memos calling for these protests?
    Prove that all these people were part of anything other than a group of concerned citizens. FAIL #1

    White House Press Sec. Gibbs suspicions, voiced at the briefing yesterday? C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics

    suspicion=speculation=not fact FAIL #2


    MSNBC's, CBS News (Charlie Gibson last night),m etc
    The canned questions being yelled?

    Link or FAIL #3





    I may have been born at night......But it wasn't Last Night!


    Wherever it was you were born, obviously, it was a place devoid of actual FACTS


    FAIL #4
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should it matter if the protesters are grass roots or organized by politicians and talk show pundits if they engaging in intimidation and silencing/shooting down or blocking access to somewhere tactics?
    Decisions on whether or not to prosecute should be, yes.



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you are going to point fingers then you should say why and offer evidence to support your claim, not since there and make the accusation and claim it doesn't matter.
    Again, that question is for another thread. This thread is simply asking a "What If" question.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Prove that all these people were part of anything other than a group of concerned citizens. FAIL #1




    suspicion=speculation=not fact FAIL #2








    Link or FAIL #3






    Wherever it was you were born, obviously, it was a place devoid of actual FACTS


    FAIL #4

    Continued off topic post.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Continued off topic post.



    I accept your concession that you are long on speculation and bloviating vitriol, and devoid of actual facts.....


    I am sorry you have to lie about what the topic is about, did you not bring up your speculation in the 1st post? FAIL


    Didn't they used to say.... THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Decisions on whether or not to prosecute should be, yes.
    So if I start a grass roots campaign and threw pies at Nancy Pelosi to shut her up or get her event cancled,shouted down President Obama so that no one can here him speak, and blocked access to an abortion clinic so that selfish self centered ****s can not kill their children with a group of people we should get off scott free while if a talk show host or politician does the same exact thing he should get thrown in jail? It seems to me that both groups or at least the offenders in those groups should be prosecuted for those actions. Politicians and talk show pundits are American citizens too and as American citizens have the right to organize protest,speak their mind,believe what ever religion they want to, have the right to keep and bear arms and other constitutional rights. It seems what you want is to deny constitutional rights to talk show host and politicians.




    Again, that question is for another thread. This thread is simply asking a "What If" question.
    Not that question is not for another thread. You do not make a baseless accusation as part of your thread topic and not offer any evidence.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post


    Not that question is not for another thread. You do not make a baseless accusation as part of your thread topic and not offer any evidence.


    Exactly. He wants to not be held responsible for his outlandish untrue speculation, I.E. lies.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I accept your concession that you are long on speculation and bloviating vitriol, and devoid of actual facts.....


    I am sorry you have to lie about what the topic is about, did you not bring up your speculation in the 1st post? FAIL


    Didn't they used to say.... THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE!
    Yeah I suppose to you it wouldn;t matter that some of these people do not even live in the districts now would it?
    Local Fox Reporter Attends Town Hall And Finds ‘Some Attendees Admit They Don’t Live In The District’

    Nor would Rep. Steve Kagen, whose town hall was targeted by the Wisconsin chapter of Americans for Prosperity matter at all.

    Golly jeepers, now you do know who Americans for Prosperity are right?

    But wait kiddies, it gets better. Disgraced scumbag Rick Scott is jumping into the ring..yippee.
    Anti-Reform Group Takes Credit For Helping Gin Up Town Hall Rallies
    Conservatives for Patients’ Rights, the operation that’s running a national campaign against a public health care option, is now publicly taking credit for helping gin up the sometimes-rowdy outbursts targeting House Dems at town hall meetings around the country, raising questions about their spontaneity.

    CPR is the group headed by controversial former hospitals exec Rick Scott that’s spending millions on ads attacking reform in all sorts of lurid ways, a campaign that’s being handled by the same P.R. mavens behind the Swift Boat Vets.
    Why is this the same Rick Scott, the fraudster?

    Hey, I wonder if he happens to know Bob MacGuffie? You know Bob, author of such great hits such as "Rocking the Town Halls: Best Practices". Well Americans for Prosperity are now trying to distance themselves, so even if we buy their story, I wonder who Bob is exactly working for now? FreedomWorks Foundation? Galen Institute?

    I wonder what Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) had to say:
    This mob, sent by the local Republican and Libertarian parties, did not come just to be heard, but to deny others the right to be heard. And this appears to be part of a coordinated, nationwide effort. What could be more appropriate for the “party of no” than having its stalwarts drowning out the voices of their neighbors by screaming “just say no!” Their fanatical insistence on repealing Social Security and Medicare is not just about halting health care reform but rolling back 75 years of progress. I am more committed than ever to win approval of legislation to offer more individual choice to access affordable health care. An effective public plan is essential to achieve that goal.
    - Golly Lloyd, I wonder if this is because you happen to have been in the most liberal area of Texas....I guess it did seem odd when a bunch of people from another district come in to drown out any chance for your constituents to be heard.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So if I start a grass roots campaign and threw pies at Nancy Pelosi to shut her up or get her event cancled,shouted down President Obama so that no one can here him speak, and blocked access to an abortion clinic so that selfish self centered ****s can not kill their children with a group of people we should get off scott free while if a talk show host or politician does the same exact thing he should get thrown in jail? It seems to me that both groups or at least the offenders in those groups should be prosecuted for those actions. Politicians and talk show pundits are American citizens too and as American citizens have the right to organize protest,speak their mind,believe what ever religion they want to, have the right to keep and bear arms and other constitutional rights. It seems what you want is to deny constitutional rights to talk show host and politicians.


    My belief is that any citizen has the First Amendment right to speak his mind. If he/she is creating a public nuisance & blocking the free speech rights of others, that would be cause for removal from the scene.
    If, on the other hand, it can be proved that said protest was performed for the purpose of blocking the First Amendment rights of others,in a coordinated way, prosecution may be in order. (that decision would be made case by case , taking into account flagrancy, weight of evidence, etc. Keep in mind that the loud protester should not have the right to infringe on MY First Amendment right!...Any argument there?)
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Yeah I suppose to you it wouldn;t matter that some of these people do not even live in the districts now would it?
    Local Fox Reporter Attends Town Hall And Finds ‘Some Attendees Admit They Don’t Live In The District’

    Nor would Rep. Steve Kagen, whose town hall was targeted by the Wisconsin chapter of Americans for Prosperity matter at all.

    Golly jeepers, now you do know who Americans for Prosperity are right?

    But wait kiddies, it gets better. Disgraced scumbag Rick Scott is jumping into the ring..yippee.
    Anti-Reform Group Takes Credit For Helping Gin Up Town Hall Rallies
    Why is this the same Rick Scott, the fraudster?

    Hey, I wonder if he happens to know Bob MacGuffie? You know Bob, author of such great hits such as "Rocking the Town Halls: Best Practices". Well Americans for Prosperity are now trying to distance themselves, so even if we buy their story, I wonder who Bob is exactly working for now? FreedomWorks Foundation? Galen Institute?

    I wonder what Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-TX) had to say:
    - Golly Lloyd, I wonder if this is because you happen to have been in the most liberal area of Texas....I guess it did seem odd when a bunch of people from another district come in to drown out any chance for your constituents to be heard.




    Have any main stream sources or will propaganda be your only contribution to your nonsense?
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Have any main stream sources or will propaganda be your only contribution to your nonsense?
    Absurd!...You don/'t consider his Fox News link main stream?

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