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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This whole thread is pretty much a partisan joke.

    Where is the evidence supporting this silly accusation that this is fake? This is all (including the press secretary) nothing but speculation.

    People protest and it is their right to do so whether you think it is fake or not.

    Reprint of my earlier response to this question:

    "This topic is not an attempt to prove anything. It is meant purely see where we stand on attempts to inhibit First Amendment rights of others, if that is taking place.

    Is it OK to do that? (interfere with the free speech rights of others)"

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How are these protesters that you claim to be fake hindering free speech?
    By yelling & disrupting for the expressed purpose of preventing the speaker from being heard.





    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are they hollering off the top of their lungs to prevent others from hearing what someone is saying or trying to intimidate people?
    Many are. Watch the tapes



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What makes them fake? Do you think those who are protesting somehow do not believe a word of what they are saying?
    For the purpose of this topic (What IF they are fake) that does not matter.

    Off topic, but to answer your question:
    From my personal perspective, (& many..many others....)When I read memos disseminated across the country telling people to disrupt meetings, hearing protesters yell "canned" lines at the speaker, seeing the same people show up at widely decentralized meetings doing exactly what the memos encourage them to do, I have my doubts......& so should you.
    & yes, I do not think these orchestrated protesters believe a word they are yelling, but are simply being paid by their masters to protect the disgustingly high profits of the health care industry. Their intent is to drown out reformers who want a Fair & affordable system made available to every citizen.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-05-09 at 09:10 AM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Devil505,


    Please link to anytime you critisized left wing protesters. ever.



    hypocrisy noted.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Devil505,


    Please link to anytime you critisized left wing protesters. ever.



    hypocrisy noted.
    You insist on pretending that you don't understand the point of this thread which is What IF fake protesters are inserted into a political meeting for the purpose of preventing the speakers from exercising their First Amendment rights.....Is this ok, regardless of which side may be doing it?

    If you refuse to stay on topic, your future posts will not be responded to.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You insist on pretending that you don't understand the point of this thread which is What IF fake protesters are inserted into a political meeting for the purpose of preventing the speakers from exercising their First Amendment rights.....Is this ok, regardless of which side may be doing it?

    If you refuse to stay on topic, your future posts will not be responded to.



    What if Obama smokes crack and does the gay sex?



    your thread starts on a lie. Yes you are being generic now, but you used that as a vehicle to continue spouting your lie about people who dare protest against your president.


    That said, I take your refusal to show you had the same problems with left wing protesters as proof of your hypocrisy... Have a nice day.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    By yelling & disrupting for the expressed purpose of preventing the speaker from being heard.


    Many are. Watch the tapes.
    Does it matter if they are real protesters or fake protesters(as you have claimed without offering any evidence to support your claim,people also claimed the tea parties are fake too without offering any evidence as well) if they are doing this? My right to free speech does not give the right to grab a megaphone and go to a rally for something I disagree with and shout down the people speaking so that no one care hear those people speaking,nor does it give me the right to intimidate people from speaking or throw things at them.



    For the purpose of this topic (What IF they are fake) that does not matter.

    Off topic, but to answer your question:
    From my personal perspective, (& many..many others....)When I read memos disseminated across the country telling people to disrupt meetings, hearing protesters yell "canned" lines at the speaker, seeing the same people show up at widely decentralized meetings doing exactly what the memos encourage them to do, I have my doubts......& so should you.
    & yes, I do not think these orchestrated protesters believe a word they are yelling, but are simply being paid by their masters to protect the disgustingly high profits of the health care industry. Their intent is to drown out reformers who want a Fair & affordable system made available to every citizen


    The thread title in which you made is asking should fake/orchestrated protesters curb free speech in this country and in you opening post you name the people protesting against socialist medicine. So it is relevant to ask for evidence that these protesters are fake. You just do not make a accusation and say it doesn't matter.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    My right to free speech does not give the right to grab a megaphone and go to a rally for something I disagree with and shout down the people speaking so that no one care hear those people speaking,nor does it give me the right to intimidate people from speaking or throw things at them.
    Agree completely.




    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The thread title in which you made is asking should fake/orchestrated protesters curb free speech in this country and in you opening post you name the people protesting against socialist medicine. So it is relevant to ask for evidence that these protesters are fake. You just do not make a accusation and say it doesn't matter.
    I mention the health care rally protesters simply as timely & highly suspicious examples of what may be organized efforts to quell free speech in this country, to gauge this forum's views on whether or not this type of activity should be allowed.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Agree completely.






    I mention the health care rally protesters simply as timely & highly suspicious examples of what may be organized efforts to quell free speech in this country, to gauge this forum's views on whether or not this type of activity should be allowed.



    What suspicious examples? You are long on accusation, devoid of evidence.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Agree completely.
    Should it matter if the protesters are grass roots or organized by politicians and talk show pundits if they engaging in intimidation and silencing/shooting down or blocking access to somewhere tactics?




    I mention the health care rally protesters simply as timely & highly suspicious examples of what may be organized efforts to quell free speech in this country, to gauge this forum's views on whether or not this type of activity should be allowed.
    If you are going to point fingers then you should say why and offer evidence to support your claim, not since there and make the accusation and claim it doesn't matter.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    What suspicious examples? You are long on accusation, devoid of evidence.



    Again, off topic ...but I will respond

    Are you denying:
    the leaked memos calling for these protests?
    White House Press Sec. Gibbs suspicions, voiced at the briefing yesterday? C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics
    MSNBC's, CBS News (Charlie Gibson last night),m etc
    The canned questions being yelled?

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