View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

    36 63.16%
  • No. If protesters stop free speech, they should be removed by police.

    20 35.09%
  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

    12 21.05%
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil
    OK..Then arrest them for "creating a public nuisance"...."Disorderly conduct"...."Attempting to piss of a police officer"...What the hell difference does it make what you call it? (of into the weeds we go)
    Who are "them"? What difference does it make? Well, for starters they are all separate laws with different definitions...
    So the law means what YOU say it means?
    Only when what I say it means is what it actually means. Do I have to quote the amendment for you AGAIN?
    No....Those laws are deliberately written broadly to allow the cop on the scene (not you) to have wide latitude in deciding what he/she thinks is illegal activity.
    You don't need a cop to interpret the 1st amendment.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1st amendment
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Now in the English language, "or" is used to divide two separate ideas in one sentence. For example: You can fight or be peaceful. You can eat, or drink, or violently use the bathroom. "Or" is used so as not to restate the subject. Do you follow so far? Now if we divide a sentence with "or" we can have separate sentences. Let us do this for the first amendment:
    1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
    2. Congress shall make no law prohibiting the free exercise of religion.
    3. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.
    4. Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of the press.
    5. Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people to peaceably assemble.
    6. Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    Those are the basic rights in the amendment. That is the law. And NOWHERE does the law say that we must speak "peaceably" only assemble peaceably. You can't read it any other way.

    I think most people who observe those town hall meeting protests would agree the intention was not to communicate the protester's point but to stop others from being able to communicate theirs.
    Off topic. I would appreciate it if you abide by the same warning you keep quoting. And for the record, the majority thinking so does not make it so. (nor is your assumption necessarily correct).
    I would remove such protester from the scene on any one of a number of charges & if I could prove a group had conspired to shout down the other side....I would prosecute for higher crimes.
    What do you mean by "such" protester? Give me the law that makes "organizing to shout down the other side" illegal. Don't we do that all the time at sports rallies? In high school we would always shout down the freshmen. And we thought about it beforehand. Should that have been illegal?
    Last edited by Lakryte; 08-10-09 at 03:20 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Who are "them"? What difference does it make? Well, for starters they are all separate laws with different definitions.................................

    You vomited allot of words up there! (you feel better now?)

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You vomited allot of words up there! (you feel better now?)



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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You vomited allot of words up there! (you feel better now?)
    So, to be clear. You don't agree with his assessment of the 1st amendment?

    As I agree with the majority of what he said, I am interested to see what you might think about his statements.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil
    You vomited allot of words up there! (you feel better now?)
    What I just vomited up was the first amendment. Would you like to actually make an argument or continue on with your personal attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und
    Irony?
    No kidding.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Since I & many others feel that the shouting protest at many health care rallies is being orchestrated, & appears designed to prevent the American voter from hearing the other side of the issue, I ask the above poll question.
    Whether or not our suspicions (including those of press Sec Gibbs at today's briefing C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics) prove to be true, my poll question remains.

    The last option should read: If fake, (operatives proven to be merely "Posing" as concerned citizens while actually being paid money for the purpose of inhibiting free speech) protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.
    Do liberals NOT organize their protests? Are we going to see something substantive in this thread? The poll choices are also convoluted.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Do liberals NOT organize their protests? Are we going to see something substantive in this thread? The poll choices are also convoluted.
    For the last time:

    The problem is not organizing.....The problem is trying to hide the fact that you are organized & acting for others.

    DECEPTION------The key to all GOP tactics

    The GOP doesn't try to EARN our votes.....They try to trick them out of us....Get It??

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    For the last time:

    The problem is not organizing.....The problem is trying to hide the fact that you are organized & acting for others.

    DECEPTION------The key to all GOP tactics

    The GOP doesn't try to EARN our votes.....They try to trick them out of us....Get It??



    You have any proof of this? Why do you have no problems with the left which has been proven to do this with paid activists...



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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    So Devil, since you refuse to participate in the other thread...

    I take it you also admit then that the Dem's have "Plants" and "Operatives" using "deception" as well and thus are trying to "Trick" us for our votes based on THIS instances which has just as much evidence as anything you all have posted.

    Oh wait...let me guess...

    This will be "Different"

    (of course it will be, the "difference" is in the D)

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    He has no proof, not for what he's claiming Rev.

    He finds "proof" that proves **** he's not actually saying and then acts like it somehow proves his original point. Then when he gets called on his dishonesty he back pedals going "no no, its opinion, and you can't ask me to back up my opinion!" and then gets all flustered why everyone but the most mindlessly zombie-like democrat talking points following hyper partisan liberals don't give a **** what his opinion is because its not credible.

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