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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You have a right to your opinion...which would prevent anyone from stopping a loud street party in front of their house at 3:00am on a school night.....Totally anarchy is what you offer us.
    Sorry......I think most of us would disagree with you.
    Anarchy? Hardly. What I have said is exactly what has happened the past 200+ years.

    And comparing a street party to a protest is apples and oranges. There is only one limit on Free Speech. And that is that it cannot foment violence. IE: Put someone in danger.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Anarchy? Hardly. What I have said is exactly what has happened the past 200+ years.

    And comparing a street party to a protest is apples and oranges. There is only one limit on Free Speech. And that is that it cannot foment violence. IE: Put someone in danger.
    You proposed making any non-violent meeting/party/whatever unstoppable by the police. No matter how loud it got or how many people they were preventing from getting a good night sleep.
    That's anarchy where I come from.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You proposed making any non-violent meeting/party/whatever unstoppable by the police. No matter how loud it got or how many people they were preventing from getting a good night sleep.
    That's anarchy where I come from.
    Until they're being loud for something you agree with, of course.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You proposed making any non-violent meeting/party/whatever unstoppable by the police. No matter how loud it got or how many people they were preventing from getting a good night sleep.
    That's anarchy where I come from.
    Were we not talking about Protests? Are you changing the bar now? Meh don't matter. First I never proposed that it was unstoppable. Because it is. IF it poses danger to people. Which a party at 3 am does pose a danger. If indirectly. It keeps people awake. People that do not get enough sleep tend to make mistakes. And making a mistake while driving to work can cost peoples lives. Which is why there are laws against a certain amount of noise past a certain hour.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Were we not talking about Protests? Are you changing the bar now? Meh don't matter. First I never proposed that it was unstoppable. Because it is. IF it poses danger to people. Which a party at 3 am does pose a danger. If indirectly. It keeps people awake. People that do not get enough sleep tend to make mistakes. And making a mistake while driving to work can cost peoples lives. Which is why there are laws against a certain amount of noise past a certain hour.


    Oh man......Here we go off into the semantics weeds where you guys live. Count me out.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Oh man......Here we go off into the semantics weeds where you guys live. Count me out.
    In case you hadn't noticed the government thrives on semantics. If you are trying to get people to agree to a law which limits free speech then you are going to have to deal with semantics. Personally I don't like them either. But I will use em when it is warrented. And since we are dealing with the law, it is warrented.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In case you hadn't noticed the government thrives on semantics. If you are trying to get people to agree to a law which limits free speech then you are going to have to deal with semantics. Personally I don't like them either. But I will use em when it is warrented. And since we are dealing with the law, it is warrented.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Disturbing the peace by making loud noise and yelling really has more to do with residential situations (i.e. loud neighbors/party) not a protest. Disturbing the peace really does not have much to do with the 1st amendment.

    And for the record, the 1st amendment includes numerous rights. One of them is the right to free speech, the other is the right to peaceably assemble. Nowhere does the amendment say that we must speak peacefully, only assemble peacefully.

    Yelling loudly in protest and being rude is not against the law. Throwing rocks at people and protesting is. But being verbally "un-peaceable" is not illegal.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Disturbing the peace by making loud noise and yelling really has more to do with residential situations (i.e. loud neighbors/party) not a protest.
    OK..Then arrest them for "creating a public nuisance"...."Disorderly conduct"...."Attempting to piss of a police officer"...What the hell difference does it make what you call it? (off into the weeds we go)



    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    And for the record, the 1st amendment includes numerous rights. One of them is the right to free speech, the other is the right to peaceably assemble. Nowhere does the amendment say that we must speak peacefully, only assemble peacefully.

    Yelling loudly in protest and being rude is not against the law. Throwing rocks at people and protesting is. But being verbally "un-peaceable" is not illegal.
    So the law means what YOU say it means? You get to narrowly define what type of assembly is "peaceable?"
    No....Those laws are deliberately written broadly to allow the cop on the scene (not you) to have wide latitude in deciding what he/she thinks is illegal activity.
    You get a chance to argue your defense in court, at trial.



    I think most people who observe those town hall meeting protests would agree the intention was not to communicate the protester's point but to stop others from being able to communicate theirs.
    I would remove such protester from the scene on any one of a number of charges & if I could prove a group had conspired to shout down the other side....I would prosecute for higher crimes.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-10-09 at 03:09 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    OK..Then arrest them for "creating a public nuisance"...."Disorderly conduct"...."Attempting to piss of a police officer"...What the hell difference does it make what you call it?

    So for like the 5th time you will cut and run from.


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