View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post

    Criminalizing protest has never been a good idea. It undermines the rule of law, it weakens the credibility of the courts, and it ultimately comes back to bite government in the ass.
    No one wants to criminalize the act of protest itself..... Just tactics designed to infringe on other's First Amend. rights
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-08-09 at 03:00 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No one wants to criminalize the act of protest itself..... Just tactics designed to infringe on other's First Amend. rights
    Small problem: who decides?

    Yeah, people shouting and acting all rude and surly are obnoxious, but surly and speaking out is better protection for individual liberty than civil and silent.

    Tolerating incivility is a small price to pay for civil liberty.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No one wants to criminalize the act of protest itself..... Just tactics designed to infringe on other's First Amend. rights
    The problem with freedoms is sometimes people will use those freedoms to be assholes. I don't think we can make being an asshole illegal. No one at these "protests" is infringing on any ones rights in any real way, they are just making asses of themselves.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Small problem: who decides?
    We The People

    (a jury of your peers decides fact .....as they always do)

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    We The People

    (a jury of your peers decides fact .....as they always do)
    Deciding fact after the fact, after detention, after the event has passed, is itself a suppression of speech.

    If a person is being unruly and disturbing the peace, there are already laws enough to address such behavior. If a person's conduct does not rise to the level of disturbing the peace, if the local constabulary are not inspired to intervene, then we should not reach farther than that to impute malfeasance on anyone.

    The right of the people is to speak freely. The right of the people is to peaceably assemble. The right of the people is to petition the government for redress of grievances. Nowhere in the First Amendment is it found that such rights are contingent upon their expression being of a spontaneous and individual nature.

    Regardless of whether protests are "orchestrated"/"organized" or random, within the boundaries of preserving the public peace, all protests are legal, lawful, and deserving of the law's protection.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think we can make being an asshole illegal.
    And it's a damn good thing, too! Otherwise I'd be doing life without parole!

    (where you been hidin'?)

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If a person is being unruly and disturbing the peace, there are already laws enough to address such behavior.
    The State of Texas already had laws against murder when Oswald assassinated Kennedy.
    Congress still passed new federal laws against assinating a President, right? (Making this a new federal violation allows for the involvement of (usually better resourced) federal agencies like the FBI to investigate the case)

    I can think of few things more important than protection our Constitutionally guaranteed rights.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    The State of Texas already had laws against murder when Oswald assassinated Kennedy.
    Congress still passed new federal laws against assinating a President, right? (Making this a new federal violation allows for the involvement of (usually better resourced) federal agencies like the FBI to investigate the case)
    You're making a comparison between assassination of a President and a shout-out at a town hall???????????

    That dog will never hunt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    I can think of few things more important than protection our Constitutionally guaranteed rights.
    Oh, what a "devil" you truly are, to be able to quote Scripture with such facility!

    What you propose is to diminish those rights. You are not arguing defense of rights, but denigration of rights; you are arguing a despising of rights.

    You seek to silence protest on the capricious and whimsical basis that it is "fake"; that is silencing speech that the Constitution mandates be kept free.

    Protest is protected speech. THAT is the Constitutional guarantee.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And it's a damn good thing, too! Otherwise I'd be doing life without parole!

    (where you been hidin'?)
    Hmmmm I'm writing my Congressman right now!

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And it's a damn good thing, too! Otherwise I'd be doing life without parole!

    (where you been hidin'?)
    Nah, you might get parole some day....

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