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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Devil505, it is possible to leave a party. Think of it as quitting a job. She quit as a Republican.

    celticlord, don't bother having any reasonable debate on this topic. You just wont get it. The minute you prove him wrong he will resort to the moderators warning. (which he has done quite often).

    Devil505, in order to understand what you mean by all of this, I am going to give you videos of specific events and ask you if you believe that the protesters in these events are preventing the free speech of others/disturbing the peace and therefore should be removed. I am not doing this to talk about specific events, but merely to cite examples to use for a general discussion. FYI it is possible to ask opinions on specific events to then talk about a general discussion.

    I am not asking you to debate these videos, merely give your opinion on them so I know what you constitute as "disturbing the peace".
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IInBP9D_s"]YouTube - TAMPA TOWN HALL MEETING - VIOLENCE FROM UNION THUGS[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Q3p6jClQM"]YouTube - UNION THUGS VICIOUSLY ATTACK A BLACK PATRIOT[/ame]

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOrPzVECSjo"]YouTube - Rude CNN Reporter Needs Fired Tea Party interview CNN TeaParty Tax[/ame]
    Last edited by Lakryte; 08-08-09 at 02:39 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Devil505, it is possible to leave a party. Think of it as quitting a job. She quit as a Republican.

    celticlord, don't bother having any reasonable debate on this topic. You just wont get it.
    I know I'm being deliberately drawn off topic here but....What proof (other than her words that her current dues weren't paid) do you have that she "quit" as a Republican??

    She didn't even say that.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    [QUOTE=Devil505;1058181008]From page 17

    Moderator's Warning:
    Going to say this once, to both sides.

    This thread is not talking about any specific event. Its the only reason its here, rather than conspiracy theories. If the continued attempts to either steer it towards a singular event, by either side, then action will be taken with the poster, the thread, or both.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    I know I'm being deliberately drawn off topic here but....What proof (other than her words that her current dues weren't paid) do you have that she "quit" as a Republican??
    Please, do not go off topic. I would like to abide by the moderators warning.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post

    Devil505, in order to understand what you mean by all of this, I am going to give you videos of specific events and ask you if you believe that the protesters in these events are preventing the free speech of others/disturbing the peace and therefore should be removed. I am not doing this to talk about specific events, but merely to cite examples to use for a general discussion. FYI it is possible to ask opinions on specific events to then talk about a general discussion.
    No need to post links.( I have the flu & am in no mood to wade through a bunch of videos)
    I'll give you my answer right now:

    It will always be up to the subjective opinion of the officer on the scene to determine who is committing the crime of disturbing the peace. Not mine of yours.

    Further, it it can be proven that these crimes were comitted in an orchestrated way (a conspiracy) then further...more serious charges may be warranted.

    Save your videos.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    It will always be up to the subjective opinion of the officer on the scene to determine who is committing the crime of disturbing the peace. Not mine of yours.
    Then what is the point of this topic if we can't discuss our opinions? If you were a police officer what would you say to those situations?

    Further, it it can be proven that these crimes were comitted in an orchestrated way (a conspiracy) then further...more serious charges may be warranted.
    "organized protest" is not against the law. Nor does "orchestrated" = conspiracy.

    Every single ACORN protest is orchestrated by...um...members of ACORN. Should they be illegal because of that? To make matters worse, they are often not very peaceable.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No need to post links.( I have the flu & am in no mood to wade through a bunch of videos)
    I'll give you my answer right now:

    It will always be up to the subjective opinion of the officer on the scene to determine who is committing the crime of disturbing the peace. Not mine of yours.

    Further, it it can be proven that these crimes were comitted in an orchestrated way (a conspiracy) then further...more serious charges may be warranted.

    Save your videos.
    This country has been down this road before, in the aftermath of the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago and the trial of the Chicago Seven.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Seven]Chicago Seven - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    It is instructive to note that none of the original convictions survived appeal, and even most of the contempt charges were not sustained on re-trial (while the few contempt charges that were sustained did not result in jail time or fines for the defendants).

    Criminalizing protest has never been a good idea. It undermines the rule of law, it weakens the credibility of the courts, and it ultimately comes back to bite government in the ass.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Then what is the point of this topic if we can't discuss our opinions?
    You have made your opinion known ad nauseam.....You simply keep repeating it, to the benefit of no one.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    "organized protest" is not against the law. Nor does "orchestrated" = conspiracy.
    An excellent point. In order for there to be a conspiracy, there must first be a crime, either committed or planned. No crime means no conspiracy.

    Protest, at least in the United States, is not a crime. The history of this country is that speaking out is a civic good, not a civic harm.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    You have made your opinion known ad nauseam.....You simply keep repeating it, to the benefit of no one.
    I am simply asking a question. Will you answer it? I ask my questions over and over again because you refuse to answer any of them.
    Last edited by Lakryte; 08-08-09 at 02:55 PM.

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