View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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    36 63.16%
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    20 35.09%
  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I dunno...

    I personally never put someone on my ignore list (I have one?).

    IMO, if you ignore someone, you are just avoiding the questions your response to their presense/actions poses to you.

    But that's just me.
    If a child keeps pestering their parent crying they want a cookie, the best thing to do is not reward that childish behavior, but to ignore it.

    & I agree with you last line....That is just you...Not me.

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    Last edited by Devil505; 08-07-09 at 10:07 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You guys just evidently can'r read the word PEACEABLY so I have made it stand out for you. (My last response on this overused & failed argument)
    Back during our founders day speakers spoke loudly and the audience responded the same. So i do not believe that people who speak loudly are infringing on others right of speech. So it is your argument that has failed.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Back during our founders day speakers spoke loudly and the audience responded the same. So i do not believe that people who speak loudly are infringing on others right of speech. So it is your argument that has failed.
    What "peaceably" means will always be open to subjective interpretation. What one cop may consider peaceable another may deem a crime. (it's up to the courts & a jury of your peers to sort it all out) Do you not accept that fact of life?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You guys just evidently canít read the word PEACEABLY so I have made it stand out for you. (My last response on this overused & failed argument)
    "Us guys" have, can, and will read the word "peaceably".

    However, as you are aware, there are currently laws in place ("disturbing the peace"?) to curtail excessive disruption of "the peace". As I understand it, these laws have a purposefully general area of coverage, so that it is basically up to the law enforcement officer on the scene to determine what should prompt their use.
    Further, these laws are intended (again, as I understand it) to provide nothing more than a method for police to remove people from a situation before it gets out of hand, and charges stemming from such an arrest are in most cases dropped after the arrestees have cooled down.
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    What you are suggesting would require that somehow we legislate what, precisely, "disturbing the peace" is.
    Additionally, you suggest that we add an additional potential charge to someone "disturbing the peace", which would allow prosecution for "infringing the free speech rights of others", or something to that effect.

    Is this correct?
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Oh, Devil.

    Oh Devil

    Lookie Here.

    Lookie Here.

    Lookie Here what i found that supports your point.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5IInBP9D_s"]YouTube - TAMPA TOWN HALL MEETING - VIOLENCE FROM UNION THUGS[/ame]

    And Look at This.

    And Look at This Devil,

    And Look at This.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Q3p6jClQM"]YouTube - UNION THUGS VICIOUSLY ATTACK A BLACK PATRIOT[/ame]


    Is this what you mean Devil?

    Is this what you mean Devil?

    Uh, humm?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Since I & many others feel that the shouting protest at many health care rallies is being orchestrated, & appears designed to prevent the American voter from hearing the other side of the issue, I ask the above poll question.
    Whether or not our suspicions (including those of press Sec Gibbs at today's briefing C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics) prove to be true, my poll question remains.

    The last option should read: If fake, (operatives proven to be merely "Posing" as concerned citizens while actually being paid money for the purpose of inhibiting free speech) protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.
    As I recall,,,most Left Wing "Protests" I've seen in the past weren't all that polite, or sanitary. Remember the Democratic Convention in Denver? The Leftists were carrying buckets of crap to throw around...

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    Oh, Devil.

    Oh Devil

    Lookie Here.

    Lookie Here.

    Lookie Here what i found that supports your point.

    YouTube - TAMPA TOWN HALL MEETING - VIOLENCE FROM UNION THUGS

    And Look at This.

    And Look at This Devil,

    And Look at This.

    YouTube - UNION THUGS VICIOUSLY ATTACK A BLACK PATRIOT


    Is this what you mean Devil?

    Is this what you mean Devil?

    Uh, humm?



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    Moderator's Warning:
    Going to say this once, to both sides.

    This thread is not talking about any specific event. Its the only reason its here, rather than conspiracy theories. If the continued attempts to either steer it towards a singular event, by either side, then action will be taken with the poster, the thread, or both.



    I hope the mods will carry through on the above warning by dealing with the violating poster & not the thread itself. Many of us, on both side are trying to keep this thread generic & an intelligent discussion on protests rights/tactics in general. It would be a shame to allow one side to shut down this discussion, which I fear may be the ultimate goal of some.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-08-09 at 08:52 AM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    As I recall,,,most Left Wing "Protests" I've seen in the past weren't all that polite, or sanitary. Remember the Democratic Convention in Denver? The Leftists were carrying buckets of crap to throw around...

    I am not defending anyone's use of tactics designed to curtail anyone else's Freedom of Speech. (getting tired of repeating that so I will assume that some of you understand that full well & are just trying to be annoying....& are succeeding!)

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Since I & many others feel that the shouting protest at many health care rallies is being orchestrated, & appears designed to prevent the American voter from hearing the other side of the issue, I ask the above poll question.
    Whether or not our suspicions (including those of press Sec Gibbs at today's briefing C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics) prove to be true, my poll question remains.

    The last option should read: If fake, (operatives proven to be merely "Posing" as concerned citizens while actually being paid money for the purpose of inhibiting free speech) protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.
    It might not be a bad idea to hold the Union Thugs accountable for blocking people from voicing their opinions...It's obvious to all that they're "bought and paid for" by the Dems...
    Last edited by Realist1; 08-08-09 at 08:52 AM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Realist1 View Post
    It might not be a bad idea to hold the Union Thugs accountable for blocking people from voicing their opinions...It's obvious to all that they're "bought and paid for" by the Dems...
    I can't argue with you there either.

    BUT

    If one side hires thugs to get in the face of others they should not run home to mommy crying when thugs from the other side give them a bloody nose.

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