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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    No. If at can be proven that the protesters are doing nothing more than disrupting the public peace, then those protesters can be removed.
    Since the only legal way the police can remove you is if you're violating a law. Your above answer should read YES

    Here's my original question:
    So, if it can be proven that the intent of a protest is not to make their views known, but specifically to prevent the words of the other side from being heard, should that be illegal?
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-07-09 at 09:34 AM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Since the only legal way the police can remove you is if you're violating a law. Your above answer should read YES

    Here's my original question:
    So, if it can be proven that the intent of a protest is not to make their views known, but specifically to prevent the words of the other side from being heard, should that be illegal?
    I'll go with no, even though it would be underhanded and less than ethical, people are still seeking redress of grievances, if they break the plane of protection and get physically violent, that is a different matter.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'll go with no, even though it would be underhanded and less than ethical, people are still seeking redress of grievances, if they break the plane of protection and get physically violent, that is a different matter.
    So, if you agree that the police should remove these loudmouth protesters, but they (protesters) have violated no law, what justification is there for the police action??? (your answer is inconsistent)
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-07-09 at 10:58 AM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So, if you agree that the police should remove these loudmouth protesters, but they (protesters) have violated no law, what justification is there for the police action??? (your answer is inconsistent)
    I may have phrased badly. Unless there is physical violence, then there should be no abridgement of free speech on public property, according to the first amendment. Even if the protesters are loud and vocally unruly, that is completely protected. If someone calls for violence or endangers the public with their speech, which is based on imminent threat and clear and present danger standards, then a law has been broken. Freedom of speech is a bitch like that, if we don't like the message, it still must be protected at all costs, unless it clearly and concisely endagers others.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    There is a revolution in this country that has been brewing for some time now. While I hate to see the violence and I in no way condone it, I do understand it. People are fed up with government. They are fed up with bailouts, bills not being read, czars who have no accountability to the people, government intrusion, stimulus to fund more welfare programs and now universal health care (the straw that will break the back IMO). There has to be a better way than the violence that we are seeing, but we are seeing it from both sides. We are also seeing threats coming out of the WH that I don't think we've ever seen in the history of this country. We are seeing chaos, anarchy and the frustration boiling over in average everyday Americans.

    I fear this is just the beginning. I believe there will be more violence before this all settles down. Again, I do not condone it in any way, but I understand it. People are frustrated that their country is being taken from them at the hands of our present government, but it didn't start with the election of Obama, this has been brewing for a long time. I welcome any revolution that will "right the ship" so to speak in terms of returning to the principles of our founding fathers and the Constitution which they wrote for a reason. I do not want to see a violent revolution, it sickens me. I do want to see government reigned in though because it is completely and totally out of control. If these protests, preceded by the Tea Parties, aren't a wake up call to our government, what will it take to make them see the light? People from all political viewpoints are participating in this, this isn't "just the right" as the media and many here on this board will have you believe.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    There is a revolution in this country that has been brewing for some time now. While I hate to see the violence and I in no way condone it, I do understand it. People are fed up with government. They are fed up with bailouts, bills not being read, czars who have no accountability to the people, government intrusion, stimulus to fund more welfare programs and now universal health care (the straw that will break the back IMO). There has to be a better way than the violence that we are seeing, but we are seeing it from both sides. We are also seeing threats coming out of the WH that I don't think we've ever seen in the history of this country. We are seeing chaos, anarchy and the frustration boiling over in average everyday Americans.

    I fear this is just the beginning. I believe there will be more violence before this all settles down. Again, I do not condone it in any way, but I understand it. People are frustrated that their country is being taken from them at the hands of our present government, but it didn't start with the election of Obama, this has been brewing for a long time. I welcome any revolution that will "right the ship" so to speak in terms of returning to the principles of our founding fathers and the Constitution which they wrote for a reason. I do not want to see a violent revolution, it sickens me. I do want to see government reigned in though because it is completely and totally out of control. If these protests, preceded by the Tea Parties, aren't a wake up call to our government, what will it take to make them see the light? People from all political viewpoints are participating in this, this isn't "just the right" as the media and many here on this board will have you believe.






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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I may have phrased badly. Unless there is physical violence, then there should be no abridgement of free speech on public property, according to the first amendment. Even if the protesters are loud and vocally unruly, that is completely protected. If someone calls for violence or endangers the public with their speech, which is based on imminent threat and clear and present danger standards, then a law has been broken. Freedom of speech is a bitch like that, if we don't like the message, it still must be protected at all costs, unless it clearly and concisely endagers others.
    So the police can only stop or arrest people for being disorderly if they commit acts of physical violence?
    How about "Disturbing the peace"?...That need violence as well?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So the police can only stop or arrest people for being disorderly if they commit acts of physical violence?
    How about "Disturbing the peace"?...That need violence as well?



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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So the police can only stop or arrest people for being disorderly if they commit acts of physical violence?
    How about "Disturbing the peace"?...That need violence as well?
    Disturbing the peace is mainly a complaint thing, I would hate to be the representative making the papers for filing that complaint though, the p.r. hit would be attrocious. Even then, disturbing the peace could potentially come from disobeying an officer, let's say they were trying to get the crowd under control and asked a shouter to calm down, then the guy gave him a "**** you", yeah, that could be a disturbing the peace, or disobeying a lawful order, but again, that line is pretty thin and it's a officer's discretion issue.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Disturbing the peace is mainly a complaint thing, I would hate to be the representative making the papers for filing that complaint though, the p.r. hit would be attrocious. Even then, disturbing the peace could potentially come from disobeying an officer, let's say they were trying to get the crowd under control and asked a shouter to calm down, then the guy gave him a "**** you", yeah, that could be a disturbing the peace, or disobeying a lawful order, but again, that line is pretty thin and it's a officer's discretion issue.
    A "complaint thing"??? Disturbing the peace is a crime allowing for the arrest & incarceration of the offender, right?

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