View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

    36 63.16%
  • No. If protesters stop free speech, they should be removed by police.

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  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post


    Who says that "fake" can't be peaceful?
    Nobody. This thread wouldn't even exist if all protests were peaceable & did not infringe on others First Amendment rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    Your poll does not talk about "peacefulness" at all. And yes, thugs have the right to free speech. And can you please tell me how voicing your opinion loudly somehow prevents someone else to have free speech? Furthermore, the amendment states CONGRESS shall not infringe on the rights of free speech. So private citizens could stop free speech all they want and it wouldn't be against the constitution, though I do not see how that is possible.

    How is it possible for protesters to prevent the free speech of anyone else?
    My poll assumes that peaceful protests would not hinder the free speech of others.

    "How is it possible for protesters to prevent the free speech of anyone else?" by yelling loudly with the very intention of stopping free speech.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Nobody. This thread wouldn't even exist if all protests were peaceable & did not infringe on others First Amendment rights.
    How can a protest infringe on someone else 1st amendment right? If this is the case people are arrested. It has happened many times before when protesters and counter protesters got out of hand.

    The only way they could is to physically assault someone or do something akin to shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. None of this happened. No one was arrested or hauled out.

    AGAIN you have no ground to stand on here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    My poll assumes that peaceful protests would not hinder the free speech of others.
    The poll is a nonsensical piece of drivel.

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    "How is it possible for protesters to prevent the free speech of anyone else?" by yelling loudly with the very intention of stopping free speech.
    Yelling loudly is not considered by law inhibiting someones free speech.

    As soon as yelling becomes illegal, you let me know.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    OK..Let's make this even more generic:

    I take out a local permit to assemble at the town park & peaceably discuss why our community should start a trash pickup program.

    As I begin my speech, a group of loud protesters try to drown me out by screaming insults & blasting air horns so the crowd can't even hear my words.
    Anyone disagree that the police should stop/remove the protesters, who are disturbing the peace at a permitted meeting?

    OK....Now let's say some of the protesters are dumb & admit to being paid operatives from the local (private) sanitation company that has the contract to p/u residential trash.

    I would argue that this admission brings the case to a whole new level & may warrant prosecution of the paid operatives & the sanitation company itself, for "Restraint of Trade" or some other, more serious crime.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-06-09 at 10:17 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    "How is it possible for protesters to prevent the free speech of anyone else?" by yelling loudly with the very intention of stopping free speech.
    The whole point of a protest is to voice your opinion against something you have strong disagreement with. Do you honestly expect protesters to calmly "speak" in normal voices? NO protest is EVER like that, or at least VERY few are.

    If you think that shouting loudly constitutes stopping free speech, you are essentially against nearly all protesting that ever occurs.

    And how does shouting loudly stop free speech? The person who can't be heard could always go somewhere else. Furthermore, the 1st amendment prevents Congress from making LAWS that prevent free speech. Protesting by individuals can NEVER go against the Constitution because no law is being made. Period. This entire topic, as I said before, is ridiculous.

    Do you think ACORN protests have violated free speech? What about anti-Bush protests? Protests against the Vietnam war? Do you think any of these protests, because they involve people shouting loudly, should be allowed? If you say yes you are a hypocrite. The protesters against governmental healthcare you have continually referred to are no less "peaceful" than any other protesters one can expect. I only bring this up because it is clear to me (and most other viewers of this topic) that you created this topic on the premise of those protests.
    As I begin my speech, a group of loud protesters try to drown me out by screaming insults & blasting air horns so the crowd can't even hear my words.
    Anyone disagree that the police should stop/remove the protesters, who are disturbing the peace at a permitted meeting?
    Of course not. Blasting air horns and yelling insults is very disrupting. But they are not removed because they are preventing free speech. They are removed because they are "disturbing the peace." The town hall meetings involved angry citizens making very valid arguments, and when they agreed with each other they applauded and cheering. When congressmen/senators at the meetings said something absurd, they made a noise that you would expect an upset crowd to make. Do you see the people at the recent town hall meetings as equivalent to the people blasting these horns?
    Last edited by Lakryte; 08-06-09 at 10:34 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The whole point of a protest is to voice your opinion against something you have strong disagreement with. Do you honestly expect protesters to calmly "speak" in normal voices? NO protest is EVER like that, or at least VERY few are.
    I agree with the intent of protests, but not all protests are protected. How about answering my above scenario?




    I take out a local permit to assemble at the town park & peaceably discuss why our community should start a trash pickup program.

    As I begin my speech, a group of loud protesters try to drown me out by screaming insults & blasting air horns so the crowd can't even hear my words.
    Anyone disagree that the police should stop/remove the protesters, who are disturbing the peace at a permitted meeting?

    OK....Now let's say some of the protesters are dumb & admit to being paid operatives from the local (private) sanitation company that has the contract to p/u residential trash.

    I would argue that this admission brings the case to a whole new level & may warrant prosecution of the paid operatives & the sanitation company itself, for "Restraint of Trade" or some other, more serious crime.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-06-09 at 10:28 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post

    Of course not. Blasting air horns and yelling insults is very disrupting. But they are not removed because they are preventing free speech. Do you see the people at the recent town hall meetings as equivalent to the people blasting these horns?
    Off topic but to answer your question...Yes. The intent is to shout down the words of those they disagree with so they cannot be heard. Exactly the same motive in both cases.

    (I agree that the charge would be simply disturbing the peace in the first case..... but how about if they were paid operatives from a private sanitation company trying to stop the citizens from hearing my words? Same thing?
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-06-09 at 10:35 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Exactly the same motive in both cases.
    Off topic but to answer your question...Yes. The intent is to shout down the words of those they disagree with. And that is where you are completely wrong. The people in the town hall meetings had the intent of shouting out THEIR believes, not silencing the beliefs of others. They did not scream insults and blare horns. They engaged in a debate, which naturally became very heated as the crowd cheered for those they agreed with. They were not disturbing the public peace. They were simply voicing their opinions.

    Blaring horns and yelling insults is not voicing your opinion, it is meant to silence that of others. But to say that by angrily shouting their opinions the town hall protesters were trying to silence all others is a baseless claim and you quite frankly cannot support it. Period.
    (I agree that the charge would be simply disturbing the peace in the first case..... but how about if they were paid operatives from a private sanitation company trying to stop the citizens from hearing my words? Same thing?
    In a sense, yes. But the company could be charged with disturbing the peace as well.
    Last edited by Lakryte; 08-06-09 at 10:40 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Protesters drown out Tampa health care summit
    TAMPA Bitter divisions over reforming America's health care system exploded Thursday night in Tampa amid cat calls, jeering and shoving at a town hall meeting.

    "Tyranny! Tyranny! Tyranny!" dozens of people shouted as U.S. Rep. Kathy Castor struggled to talk about health insurance reforms under consideration in Washington, D.C.

    "There is more consensus than there is disagreement when you get right down to it,'' Castor offered, immediately drowned out by groans and boos.

    She pressed on, mostly unheard among the screams from the audience of more than 200.

    "Tell the truth! Tell the truth!"

    "Read the bill!"

    "Forty-million illegals! Forty million illegals!"
    Instead, hundreds of vocal critics turned out, many of them saying they had been spurred on through the Tampa 912 activist group promoted by conservative radio and television personality Glenn Beck. Others had received e-mails from the Hillsborough Republican party that urged people to speak out against the plan and offered talking points to challenge supporters.

    An overflow crowd of critics was left waiting outside the building and in some cases pounding on the meeting room doors while health care reform activists complained that Democrats and union members were guided into the room for prime seats.
    U.S. Rep. Castor said a strong debate is healthy but suggested that many of the protesters who have shown up at town hall meetings in recent weeks would have staunchly opposed the creation of Medicare and Social Security a few decades ago.

    "The insurance industry and Republican activists are manufacturing a lot of these phony protests,'' said Castor, who has been closely involved in the health care debate and said she won't support any bill lacking a government-run insurance option.

    She left before the forum ending, which drew more boos. State Rep. Reed said she encouraged Castor to leave because nobody could hear her any way.
    So Republicans can not debate, or present ideas any more. All they can do is seek to suppress.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    There already is a thread regarding this in conspiracy theories. This thread asks a generic poll question & why some are trying to stifle/derail this thread only discloses the weakness of your argument & your fear of what you don't want heard by the American public.
    I don't fear anything they have to say. I have read the HCP as it stands to date. I know what is in it and how it is trying to take away our freedoms.

    The poll question may be generic but your post that started the thread was NOT generic. You started this thread stating specific instances which you tried to use to reinforce your poll question.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lakryte View Post
    The people in the town hall meetings had the intent of shouting out THEIR believes, not silencing the beliefs of others. They did not scream insults and blare horns. They engaged in a debate, which naturally became very heated as the crowd cheered for those they agreed with. They were not disturbing the public peace. They were simply voicing their opinions.

    Blaring horns and yelling insults is not voicing your opinion, it is meant to silence that of others. But to say that by angrily shouting their opinions the town hall protesters were trying to silence all others is a baseless claim and you quite frankly cannot support it. Period.

    In a sense, yes. But the company could be charged with disturbing the peace as well.
    So, if it can be proven that the intent of a protest is not to make their views known, bujt specifically to prevent the words of the other side from being heard, should that be illegal?

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