View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

    36 63.16%
  • No. If protesters stop free speech, they should be removed by police.

    20 35.09%
  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

    12 21.05%
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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by new coup for you View Post
    Moneys free speech, so if lobbyists can give money to legislators, I don't see why you couldn't pay protesters.
    They do.......... bribes paid to politicians are simply called "Campaign Contributions", but they are just simple bribes & go to both sides of the aisle. (how much does a Senator cost these days??)
    (Al Capone made many "Campaign Contributions" the pols in Chicago too)
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Since I & many others feel that the shouting protest at many health care rallies is being orchestrated, & appears designed to prevent the American voter from hearing the other side of the issue, I ask the above poll question.
    Whether or not our suspicions (including those of press Sec Gibbs at today's briefing C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics) prove to be true, my poll question remains.

    The last option should read: If fake, (operatives proven to be merely "Posing" as concerned citizens while actually being paid money for the purpose of inhibiting free speech) protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.
    The last option is the option of treason and tyranny. Protest can never be denied. If you're having a problem with rallies, hold them indoors or on private property where you can remove yourselves from the counter protest. But doing anything to end, disrupt, or make illegal the protest is a horrible act of aggression against freedom and liberty.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The last option is the option of treason and tyranny. Protest can never be denied. If you're having a problem with rallies, hold them indoors or on private property where you can remove yourselves from the counter protest. But doing anything to end, disrupt, or make illegal the protest is a horrible act of aggression against freedom and liberty.
    While I disagree with your characterization that any such laws would necessarily be " the option of treason and tyranny".....I agree that any such law would have to be very carefully drafted & applied so as to not inhibit free speech.

    The alternative to such new laws would be to do nothing, which would allow possibly disingenuous operatives, from either side, to stifle all our First Amendment rights through intimidation...... by not allowing free speech that they disagree with to be heard..
    I believe carefully worded laws could protect all of our First Amendment rights while still allowing dissent, but am mindful of the dangers.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-06-09 at 04:55 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    While I disagree with your characterization that any such laws would necessarily be " the option of treason and tyranny".....I agree that any such law would have to be very carefully drafted & applied so as to not inhibit free speech.

    The alternative to such new laws would be to do nothing, which would allow possibly disingenuous operatives, from either side, to stifle all our First Amendment rights through intimidation...... by not allowing free speech that they disagree with to be heard..
    I believe carefully worded laws could protect all of our First Amendment rights while still allowing dissent, but am mindful of the dangers.
    In those town hall meetings show me an example of intimidation. Where were the speakers threatened.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    While I disagree with your characterization that any such laws would necessarily be " the option of treason and tyranny".....I agree that any such law would have to be very carefully drafted & applied so as to not inhibit free speech.

    The alternative to such new laws would be to do nothing, which would allow possibly disingenuous operatives, from either side, to stifle all our First Amendment rights through intimidation...... by not allowing free speech that they disagree with to be heard..
    I believe carefully worded laws could protect all of our First Amendment rights while still allowing dissent, but am mindful of the dangers.
    Hold the press release on private property somewhere where you can keep the counter-protest away. Any law which could then classify a protest or counter-protest as "orchestrated" and allowing them to be shut down is very very dangerous. I would rather deal with the repercussions and consequences of free speech, assembly, and protest than I would authorize the government to act against these things.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In those town hall meetings show me an example of intimidation. Where were the speakers threatened.
    It's pretty obvious that the genuine, local people who went to hear the HC issue debated were prevented from hearing all but the "Just Say No" shouts that were intended to do just that..... Prevent the free speech of one side from being heard. Why they weren't simply removed by the police is beyond me.

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    rolleyes Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    This has got to be the absolute dumbest thread I've seen here so far.

    Everyone read along with me:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Here, read it again. I'll highlight the relevant parts for you:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    You know what that says? It says that Congress may not violate your right to free speech. It doesn't say anything about private individuals, corporations, groups, protesters, or anyone else outside of Congress. Therefore, if one group is attempting to prevent another group from speaking and/or being heard, it is in no way running afoul of the First Amendment.

    You have no Constitutional right to express your views free from interference from anyone and everyone. It just isn't there.

    You may now continue on with the idiocy.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Hold the press release on private property somewhere where you can keep the counter-protest away. Any law which could then classify a protest or counter-protest as "orchestrated" and allowing them to be shut down is very very dangerous. I would rather deal with the repercussions and consequences of free speech, assembly, and protest than I would authorize the government to act against these things.
    It may be a moot point anyway. The AFL-CIO has announced its intention to send (pro-HC reform) counter protesters to these town hall meetings to deal with the shouting thugs themselves.
    I don't really like the idea of government action to stop protests either & maybe it would be better handled with "Thug On Thug", in your face tactics!
    (I'll put my money on the hard hats vs the Brooks Bros suits (with Am Flag lapel pins) anyday~!)
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    Everyone read along with me:Here, read it again. I'll highlight the relevant parts for you:

    Your highlights failed to cover a very important part of the wording:

    "or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    The word "peaceably" is no less important than any other part, & the taped protests I saw were far from peaceable.
    Last edited by Devil505; 08-06-09 at 07:25 PM.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    This whole topic is completely ridiculous. What exactly did the protesters do that made it impossible for anyone to exercise free speech? Could you give a video or something as evidence?

    And I am completely baffled that people actually think these protests and town hall meetings were somehow orchestrated by republican extremists. I have seen clips of a man demanding single payer healthcare. This isn't fake. There is absolutely no proof it is fake.

    Anyone who dismisses these protests as fake is either knowingly lying about them or blatantly ignorant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505
    The word "peaceably" is no less important than any other part, & the taped protests were far from peaceable.
    Then ACORN protests should be illegal as well.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk0qCpvSjYU&feature=related"]YouTube - ACORN gets "Fired UP"[/ame]
    And the protests against Bush should have never been allowed.
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ei1dXURSJvU"]YouTube - Bush = Protest after 1st Stolen Election[/ame]
    "Your a bigot, a liar, a killer too."
    Hm.
    You can expect protesters to be angry, that is normally why they protest.
    And here is another:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW4TCijNoQ4"]YouTube - Raw Video: Anti-Israel Protest in NYC[/ame]
    I don't think my opinion would be heard if I shouted into that crowd.

    Why is it that when conservatives protest (even though not all protesting were conservative) they are somehow going against free speech? Why is it that conservatives are "angry mobs" but people protesting conservatives are heroes? Are you completely blind to the double-standard you are taking part in?
    Last edited by Lakryte; 08-06-09 at 07:25 PM.

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