View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    & I stand behind my idea that new federal laws need to be enacted that will punish those who deliberately travel around the country for the purpose of infringing on other citizen's First Amendment rights. (If they are part of a larger conspiracy & do this for money, all the harsher the sentence they should receive)



    Wow. how national socialist of you....
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I seriously doubt that the people making the accusations that the protesters are bogus actually believe them to be fake. I agree with you that it is a merely a tactic to try to discredit the opposition to socialist medicine,just like when liars made the claim that the tax tea parties were fake. Discredit your opponents and it will make it easy for politicians to ignore them. They want this socialist medicine in the guise of healthcare reform to pass and seem to be worried that there is a huge change of this failing.



    Who was that democrat from missouri I think, who stated she didn't think they were fake?
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    So you deny conservatives have been writing memo's encouraging their readers to disrupt town hall meetings?
    I do not know if this is true or not,but it doesn't make the protesters fake.


    You deny that many of the chants of these "Protesters" are canned & taken right out of the RNC talking points?

    It could be argue that anti-war protesters use DNC or perhaps even terrorist talking points. It still doesn't make the protesters fake. Many people share the same opinion.


    You deny that many of these "legitimate" protesters admit that they don't live anywhere near the town that is holding this local meeting?
    I do not know if this is true or not but location of residence in some other area does not make the protesters fake. Do all the code pink morons live in Sanfransicko or Berkly?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not know if this is true or not,but it doesn't make the protesters fake.





    It could be argue that anti-war protesters use DNC or perhaps even terrorist talking points. It still doesn't make the protesters fake. Many people share the same opinion.




    I do not know if this is true or not but location of residence in some other area does not make the protesters fake. Do all the code pink morons live in Sanfransicko or Berkly?



    Devil's whole premise is a pack of lies. He tried this with another thread, and it was smacked down as it was deserved.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Does this apply to any protesters who shout down people speaking or just the ones you falsely deem fake?
    It would apply to anyone infringing on the First Amendment rights of others.
    ( the flagrancy & whether or not they are paid operatives would only come into account when a decision is being made for prosecution. Paid operatives should get the book thrown at them while legitimate protesters would probably not be prosecuted, just removed from the meeting).




    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Last time I checked the constitution doesn't banned paid protesters.
    Last time I checked, the constitution doesn't protect anyone's right to deprive others of their First Amendment rights.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    It would apply to anyone infringing on the First Amendment rights of others.
    ( the flagrancy & whether or not they are paid operatives would only come into account when a decision is being made for prosecution. Paid operatives should get the book thrown at them while legitimate protesters would probably not be prosecuted, just removed from the meeting).





    Last time I checked, the constitution doesn't protect anyone's right to deprive others of their First Amendment rights.



    Show me in the constitution where it is illegal to pay one person to speak on the behalf of another.


    Would you be for the prosecution of Moveon.org, codepink? or are you reserving your gulags to citizens you don't like?
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Devil's whole premise is a pack of lies. He tried this with another thread, and it was smacked down as it was deserved.
    You just can't debate without resorting to childish, personal attacks...can you? (meet you after school!)

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    You see, with sam w and others, it's not about right or wrong, it's about left or right. They and their ilk showed no anger when the dems do this very same thing, but are outraged when the right does it. It's either wrong all the time, or it's OK all the time. You don't get to be selective in your outrage if you want anyone to take you seriously.

    I was pissed when Bush signed TARP. I was pissed when Obama signed the Stimulus bill. I've been angry about government bailouts no matter who is doing it, and I'm far from alone in this. I was pissed when the repubs spent like sailors in a whorehouse. I am pissed that the dems are spending at a rate far greater than sailors in a whorehouse. I am consistent in my outrage. Others are not.
    Right or wrong? Left or right? Hello? Oh wait...here it is:
    Now, if you wish to bring up a separate issue of liberals disrupting town halls this week, please do post. But before you do, allow me to say this for the record. I do not accept this tactic to be used PERIOD. This is NOT discussion, but rather a suppression of discussion. Thus, I am against it. So if you do have some evidence of Liberals doing this, then please do post.
    You know this tactic of yours is annoying, well that is the kindest way I can put it I guess. Annoying. Dishonest, I can use that one as well. Disingenuous? Yep, that would work perfectly also.

    For someone who first claimed red herring, I am amazed I can still move around what with all the bleeping red herrings you have been throwing. So fine, we have established clearly what is going on. You want to make claims that the left is disrupting town hall meetings now, please do post evidence or stop lying.

    p.s. If you are so consistent in your outrage over government spending, why do you seem to care so little about the fact that under two administrations the national debt has ballooned faster than anyone?
    Historical Debt Outstanding Annual
    Ronald Reagan went from $997B (09/30/1981) to $2,857B (09/29/1989)=$2.8 8 years
    George H. Bush $2,857B (09/29/1989) to $4,411 (09/30/1993)=$1.5t 4 years
    Clinton went from $4,411 (09/30/1993) to $5,807 (09/30/2001)= $1.4t 8 years
    George W. Bush $5,807 (09/30/2001) to $10,024 (09/30/2008) $4.2t in 8 years

    Not done with George W. Bush though. We still have to add up Medicare's 2003 bill, that is another $1.2 trillion - Medicare Drug Benefit May Cost $1.2 Trillion
    Can we ever forget Iraq? That gift to debt will end up between $3-5 trillion more -The Iraq War Will Cost Us $3 Trillion, and Much More

    So, with George W. Bush, we have a President who inherited budget surplus, took into the red almost immediately (no it was not 9/11, look at the budget, it was tax cuts that stimulated jack). Added a debt of $4.2 trillion, + $1.2 trillion more from Medicare in the years to come, and $3-5 trillion for Iraq).

    So Obama has inherited a financial meltdown, a budget deficit, and an economy that some thought was on the precipice of a Great Depression. What is the state of the economy today? Well we are now 6 months in emerging from the greatest postwar recession. He has inherited a mess, but if he follows Clinton's path, you should be damn grateful we have a Democrat in office and NOT a Republican wouldn't you say? You are so strongly against government spending, debt and all right? No you are not consistent at all.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    You just can't debate without resorting to childish, personal attacks...can you? (meet you after school!)



    you made false slanderous allegations. It is not "childish" nor is it a "personal attack" to call you out on your lies.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Show me in the constitution where it is illegal to pay one person to speak on the behalf of another.
    It is already illegal to disturb the peace. (do you actually read any posts before you spout off?


    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Would you be for the prosecution of Moveon.org, codepink? or are you reserving your gulags to citizens you don't like?
    If they tried to drown out the free speech of others I would.
    That's the difference here: We aren't afraid for you to hear the opposition. You guys are terrified that the obvious truth of what we are saying will get through, so you try to prevent anyhone from even hearing our words.

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