View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

    36 63.16%
  • No. If protesters stop free speech, they should be removed by police.

    20 35.09%
  • If fake protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.

    12 21.05%
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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Since I & many others feel that the shouting protest at many health care rallies is being orchestrated, & appears designed to prevent the American voter from hearing the other side of the issue, I ask the above poll question.
    Whether or not our suspicions (including those of press Sec Gibbs at today's briefing C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics) prove to be true, my poll question remains.

    The last option should read: If fake, (operatives proven to be merely "Posing" as concerned citizens while actually being paid money for the purpose of inhibiting free speech) protesters & their masters should be prosecuted.
    I take issue with this, because if it were Liberal anti-war, or anti-whatever protestors, none of you would have a bit of a problem with it.

    If we had seen this kind of opposition to Leftist protestor's actions over the past 8 years, then I might agree. Seeing how we didn't, "free speech, being the defense, I couldn't disagree more.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    I really think that Devil505 doesn't know how chilling it it that he suggests that the courts should be able to determine whether you are being real with your speech and what sort of punishment you get if they determine if you are not.
    Police have had the authority to arrest people for disturbing the peace, creating a public nuisance, etc.... for many years. Nothing new or "Chilling" there.
    ( & the courts would not care if you were a real or fake protester..... they would only care about you using your speech for the purpose of denying others THEIR First Amendment rights)
    If I was an AUSA, I would be very reluctant to prosecute any individual for exercising his speech righst....BUT I would have no problem prosecuting someone which the evidence can prove is being paid to deny others their rights.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I take issue with this, because if it were Liberal anti-war, or anti-whatever protestors, none of you would have a bit of a problem with it.

    If we had seen this kind of opposition to Leftist protestor's actions over the past 8 years, then I might agree. Seeing how we didn't, "free speech, being the defense, I couldn't disagree more.
    I disagree, but can appreciate your point. I have a very similar problem with Republican "New Found" fiscal responsibility which all but disappeared during the last eight years & only seems to come up when a Democrat is in the White House.
    (a fair helping of hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle, no?)
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Police have had the authority to arrest people for disturbing the peace, creating a public nuisance, etc.... for many years. Nothing new or "Chilling" there.
    The issue is not that that a person can be arrested for "disturbing the peace,creating a public nuisance,etc...." The issue is that you suggested that there should be a new law that determine whether or not a person is faking what they believe and proceuting them under said law. And that it would not be a local misdemeanor offence but a Federal Felony offence. There is a big difference in spending a few days or perhaps weeks in the local jail and spending several years in a federal penitentiary which you are no doubt aware doesn't have any parole except for the last 15% of the sentence.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    And with that you also get a copy of the leaked conservative memo instructing folks on how to crash and ruin a Townhall meeting by being disruptive assholes.



    Way to make a fake spontaneous uprising feel more...real?
    If this was organized it was taken right out of the liberal handbook.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Does anyone really believe that all the people dissenting are paid by the insurance lobby?

    This seems like a ploy to silence over all dissent and nothing else, would you hold politicians to a law against lying?
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Does anyone really believe that all the people dissenting are paid by the insurance lobby?

    This seems like a ploy to silence over all dissent and nothing else, would you hold politicians to a law against lying?
    I seriously doubt that the people making the accusations that the protesters are bogus actually believe them to be fake. I agree with you that it is a merely a tactic to try to discredit the opposition to socialist medicine,just like when liars made the claim that the tax tea parties were fake. Discredit your opponents and it will make it easy for politicians to ignore them. They want this socialist medicine in the guise of healthcare reform to pass and seem to be worried that there is a huge change of this failing.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 08-06-09 at 09:12 AM.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    The issue is not that that a person can be arrested for "disturbing the peace,creating a public nuisance,etc...." The issue is that you suggested that there should be a new law that determine whether or not a person is faking what they believe and proceuting them under said law. And that it would not be a local misdemeanor offence but a Federal Felony offence. There is a big difference in spending a few days or perhaps weeks in the local jail and spending several years in a federal penitentiary which you are no doubt aware doesn't have any parole except for the last 15% of the sentence.
    & I stand behind my idea that new federal laws need to be enacted that will punish those who deliberately travel around the country for the purpose of infringing on other citizen's First Amendment rights. (If they are part of a larger conspiracy & do this for money, all the harsher the sentence they should receive)
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I seriously doubt that the people making the accusations that the protesters are bogus actually believe them to be fake.
    So you deny conservatives have been writing memo's encouraging their readers to disrupt town hall meetings?

    You deny that many of the chants of these "Protesters" are canned & taken right out of the RNC talking points?

    You deny that many of these "legitimate" protesters admit that they don't live anywhere near the town that is holding this local meeting?

    Anyway, we're getting off topic which is should these protests be allowed if they are shouting down their neighber's free speech & they are proven to be paid operatives of either the HC industry or the RNC, or both.
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    & I stand behind my idea that new federal laws need to be enacted that will punish those who deliberately travel around the country for the purpose of infringing on other citizen's First Amendment rights.
    Does this apply to any protesters who shout down people speaking or just the ones you falsely deem fake? For someone I bet if the Bush Administration came out called all the anti-war protesters fake you and others like you would be condemning Bush for belittling protesters.


    (If they are part of a larger conspiracy & do this for money, all the harsher the sentence they should receive)
    Last time I checked the constitution doesn't banned paid protesters.
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