View Poll Results: Should protesters be allowed to curb free speech in this country?

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  • Yes. Protests are protected by the Constitution.

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    20 35.09%
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Thread: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    If they shout me down so that I can't speak......They most certainly can prevent me from exercising my Fist Am. rights. (watch some of the town hall tapes)
    If you didn't make baseless accusations of a group of protesters being fake otherwise slandering the integrity of that group then you may have gotten better results.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If you didn't make baseless accusations of a group of protesters being fake otherwise slandering the integrity of that group then you may have gotten better results.
    Unfortunately these are well orchestrated by conservative lobbying groups. Nice try though.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    There are such a thing as agents provocateurs who are hired by government to make protests turn violent so that they can be shut down. It's no conspiracy, it has happened all over the world, including places like Canada, the U.S., the U.K., etc.

    I think it is more likely that if organizations or government wanted protests shut down that they wouldn't hire a large group, they'd just hire one person who discredits the protest and causes riot police to descend upon the masses.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Unfortunately these are well orchestrated by conservative lobbying groups. Nice try though.
    Do you have proof sam or is this another one of your red herrings? I'll eagerly await your proof...

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    Do you have proof sam or is this another one of your red herrings? I'll eagerly await your proof...
    Excuse me? Red herring? Ok, I suppose when a lobbyist has his own game plan leaked you can just ignore that huh? And when another lobbyist group lists out where to send people, ignore that ok. Just ignore the local FOX station reporting that people were not even from that district, do ignore that. I guess you can also just ignore the lobbying group ADMITTING they are going to do that. By all means, for god's sake just ignore that ok.

    Thank YOU for posting a red herring, kudos PLONK

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Excuse me? Red herring? Ok, I suppose when a lobbyist has his own game plan leaked you can just ignore that huh? And when another lobbyist group lists out where to send people, ignore that ok. Just ignore the local FOX station reporting that people were not even from that district, do ignore that. I guess you can also just ignore the lobbying group ADMITTING they are going to do that. By all means, for god's sake just ignore that ok.

    Thank YOU for posting a red herring, kudos PLONK
    Linkies? Just you saying so isn't quite proof now is it? And do you really want to compare conservative protests being organized to liberal protests being organized? (hint: you don't) But I'll give you one more shot to provide proof.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    There are such a thing as agents provocateurs who are hired by government to make protests turn violent so that they can be shut down. It's no conspiracy, it has happened all over the world, including places like Canada, the U.S., the U.K., etc.

    I think it is more likely that if organizations or government wanted protests shut down that they wouldn't hire a large group, they'd just hire one person who discredits the protest and causes riot police to descend upon the masses.
    What evidence is there to support your claim that this happens and what actual evidence you have to support your claim that this happening with the protest that is the subject of the OP? If there videos of government agents paying people to do these things?
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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by sam_w View Post
    Unfortunately these are well orchestrated by conservative lobbying groups. Nice try though.
    Reading back, it looks like you are one of these fringe types that uses the "because we say so" debate tactic. On this issue, I need more than the stupidest press secretary appointed by the most unqualified president in U.S. history telling me these protesters were planted, these dbags get no credibility points anymore and you will need more than their word as proof.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should Orchestrated (fake) Protests Be Allowed To Hinder Free Speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by P/N View Post
    Linkies? Just you saying so isn't quite proof now is it? And do you really want to compare conservative protests being organized to liberal protests being organized? (hint: you don't) But I'll give you one more shot to provide proof.
    Already posted. I can't help you if you can't bother to read.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Reading back, it looks like you are one of these fringe types that uses the "because we say so" debate tactic. On this issue, I need more than the stupidest press secretary appointed by the most unqualified president in U.S. history telling me these protesters were planted, these dbags get no credibility points anymore and you will need more than their word as proof.
    I see, another who did not bother to read. Henceforth you have no argument.

    Either read my post fully or admit you have failed. P/N you can admit to yourself throwing in a red herring. It's all there for you, already posted.

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