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Would you vote for this person?

Would you vote for a Scientologist for president?

  • yes

    Votes: 25 56.8%

  • no

    Votes: 11 25.0%

  • other

    Votes: 8 18.2%
  • Total voters
    44
Cephus said:
Yes I would because, as others have noted, if he has my political views, he'd know and practice that religious views have no place whatsoever in politics and he'd leave his Scientology nonsense at the door. This goes for any and all religions.
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Well, do try to take into account, that if people leave their religious views out, then man is nothing more than a animal, and a tiny, insignificant quirk of thermodynamics and may (there can be in this case no "should",) be treated accordingly.

I want anyone in power over me to have a wider world view than simple physics. (Biology is a trivial subset of physics in a mechanistic universe, so no blather from anyone about that please.)
 
partier9 said:
Ok lets say a guy runs for the presidency. His political beliefs are the exact same as yours, he was the governor of his state for 8 years in which the state prospered in. He is honest and trustworthy and basically great in every way.

However for a religion he is a scientologist, would you vote for him?
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Yup, eagerly and without reservation. One's religious beliefs don't matter in politics, unless one is trying to establish a theocracy.
 
Grateful Heart said:
There are some extremely smart people in this world who believe the weirdest things...

The CEO of the company I work for (70,000+ employees) is a big fan of The Hidden Messages in Water.

He gave this book a huge plug at a conference I attended last year. I just sat there bewildered and embarrassed for him. But heck, he's making $20M a year. Who's to tell him he's wrong?!

:2wave:
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There is actually some credence to the idea of HADO Water...I did an experiment on it, so I know.
 
Laila said:
Hmm ... if he had my exact political beliefs, he'll also value secularism so sure.
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Indeed! Besides, at the end of the day the beliefs of Scientologists are really no more absurd or crazy than those of the Christians.
 
Oftencold said:
Well, do try to take into account, that if people leave their religious views out, then man is nothing more than a animal, and a tiny, insignificant quirk of thermodynamics and may (there can be in this case no "should",) be treated accordingly.

I want anyone in power over me to have a wider world view than simple physics. (Biology is a trivial subset of physics in a mechanistic universe, so no blather from anyone about that please.)
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I want anyone who has power over me to accept REALITY, not silly imaginary father figures in the sky. You'd rather have them believe in a whole bunch of nonsense because it makes you feel better about yourself. I want them to be realistic and rational.

But thanks for playing.
 
Anima said:
Yup, eagerly and without reservation. One's religious beliefs don't matter in politics, unless one is trying to establish a theocracy.
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Considering that Scientology has "convert" or you are fired several companies around the world, then one has to ask one self.. what are their real motives.

Lets not forget Operation Snow White and Operation Freakout either.. There have been many cases of direct involvement of the so called "Church of Scientology" in not only criminal acts but harassment and spying on people and even suspected assassinations.

I remember a Time Magazine expose in the 1980s or 1990s, where its author had to go underground due to death threats and attempts on his life. In the article he had people claiming that the Church had the largest private "secret intelligence gathering" system in the world and kept tabs on everyone in the sect and all those who opposed it. The Church also sued Time Warner, and lost heavily in court after court.

Also there is evidence that Scientology are targeting companies in certain sectors, converting or getting in high level management and then forcing the employees to either convert or get fired.

Woman Forced to Study Scientology at Work, Complains to Radio Station, Fired

Two fired for not becoming Scientologists

Just some of the stories and there are claims that they are also targeting low level to higher level government positions to convert more people.

On top of that, the Church of Scientology is so fixated on money that is not even funny. The amount of stories of fraud and theft involved with Scientology and the Church is not on the light side. There is a clear pattern of targeting grieving people to young very easily convinced people, getting them into massive debt with help from the churches people to buy the churches "courses" and then dumping them like yesterdays garbage. And when it comes to paying their taxes or living up to financial deals.. the Church has a history in Europe of doing neither. In Denmark it owes millions in back taxes, fines and even things like stamp duty on property deals. And Denmark houses the European HQ of the sect.. try to take a picture of the building and you will be harassed by Scientology security, have your picture taken, asked who you are, demanding your name and warned that you are on private property.. which you are not, since you are on the side walk.. opposite the building.. yes it happened to me. Funny thing was I was taking a picture of a Ferrari parked outside the "Church".. bet it was owned by the Danish leader.

So while I agree with the principle of a persons religion not having any influence on my vote, I must take into account other factors like those involved with Scientology. I mean if the Mafia was a religion, would you vote for a person with said religion well knowing that it was a Mafia plant to gain financial gain for the Mafia?

Scientology is no religion, it is a criminal organisation along the lines of the Mafia, Yakuza and so on.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yikes, it goes to show that just because you have a **** load of money doesn't mean you are entirely smart or creditable.
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Sorry. I'm a bigot. Anybody who grabs two 303 cans and 'Clears' I shall not trust as a proxy for my interests.
 
I was going to say if I thought the person would be a good President, sure. All religions are a bit nutty. I think Christianity is silly, too. But after reading the comments in this thread I changed my mind. I agree that some religions are just TOO nutty. I would never vote for a snake handler or whack job penecostal, fundamentalist Christian. They're nuts. There is something inherently wrong with their brain. Same goes for scientologists. There is silly, then there is over the top silly.
 
I don't care what a person's religion is or even that a person's religion colors his/her perspective so long as the person employs and defends sound principles of government and share our Founders' beliefs re the proper role of government and the sanctity of our Constitutional, legal, civil, and unalienable rights.

A much more innocuous, mainstream, politically correct, and publicly approved albeit ultra liberal Christian denomination as the respectable United Church of Christ might harbor certain dangers though.

We elected a President who spent 20 years admiring, respecting, and extoling an anti-American minister preaching a racist, Marxist, 'black liberation theology'. This man was the President's mentor, beloved 'grandfather figure' with an elevated status in his campaign organization until he became a political liability and had to be thrown under the bus. The explanation was that "Yes, he was my minister, led me to Jesus Christ, married me to my wife, baptized my children, and provided considerable influence to help me up the ladder of power, but I never listened to him."

Now we are seeing a mindset and policies and attitude that suggest that President Obama not only listened but embraced and absorbed a whole lot of that.

So while a person's religious beliefs should not automatically disqualify him or her, certain kinds of indoctrination can also be important.
 
i will vote for Amy Scobee. she i s good person. Shelly Corrias,John Travolta,Jeff Hawkin,Martin Rathburn are good scientologist allso.i will not vote for David Miscavige.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Any religion that is not of a particular persons religion is considered a cult and are considered "crazy" also.

A persons religion is no indicator if someone is smart or not.
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I find if interesting that though the secrets of the universe are so incredibly mysterious and so incredibly deep, so fascinating and powerful and deserving of almost sacred respect... that anyone who is simpleminded enough to think they have any answer, let alone a scientological one, is not bright enough for any kind of leadership role.

Sure, pragmatics is important. But anyone who believes in any kind of religion is not taking their role as thinker serious enough.
 
partier9 said:
Ok lets say a guy runs for the presidency. His political beliefs are the exact same as yours, he was the governor of his state for 8 years in which the state prospered in. He is honest and trustworthy and basically great in every way.

However for a religion he is a scientologist, would you vote for him?
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If he was really a politician I could believe in with a platform I could support; I'd still vote for him. Though I'd still promote the "Free Xenu" movement.
 
I would vote for him without a thought, as we would need him to protect us from the great lord xenu when he returned to earth on his DC-9 to suck the thetons from our bodies to transport them into a new world where they could be reprogrammed in a place like hawaii yet again to try and restart his perfect civilization.........


Well, that's assuming his political beliefs are the same as mine and I actually believe he would uphold them and isn't just going to flip flop immedietely on me.
 
Ok lets say a guy runs for the presidency. His political beliefs are the exact same as yours...However for a religion he is a scientologist, would you vote for him?
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I have the political believe that all who believe in scientology should be killed.

Topic Fail.
 
Lakryte said:
I have the political believe that all who believe in scientology should be killed.

Topic Fail.
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That follows Hitler, and Stalin...and I'm sure quite a few more dictators I haven't thought of.

The only fail here is you.
 
Cephus said:
I want anyone who has power over me to accept REALITY, not silly imaginary father figures in the sky. You'd rather have them believe in a whole bunch of nonsense because it makes you feel better about yourself. I want them to be realistic and rational.

But thanks for playing.
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Reality? Do you have the foggiest notion? An ephemeral bit of wet chemistry, living on a rock, in a vacuum, for an insignificant bit of time?

Let me assure you that you do not. You have a construct in that cephalic neural mass that you seem to be so proud of that is a preposterously simplified model of a tiny sliver of a minuscule subset of a microscopic sampling of a few of the properties of the local physics that you have the conceit to call “reality.”

You still don’t understand how that brain operates. Most of the mass of the universe can’t even be defined by the science in which you no doubt place your faith.

The workings of your own mind are largely a mystery, with one theory after another being discredited.

The multi-dimensional geometry of the space you so passively occupy is beyond your ability to conceptualize, as are the reasons why a given frequency and magnitude of light produces a sensory phenomenon that we call “red.”

You fail to understand yourself, yet offer opinion on the internal functions of others.

And yet you have the gall, the conceit, to tout the superiority of your grasp of reality.

You are as a child who has learnt his first rhyme believing that he understands the nature of symphonic music. You grope in the dark for crumbs of understanding. Just like every other human that ever lived.

If this make you feel better about yourself, it probably shouldn’t
 
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Oftencold said:
And yet you have the gall, the conceit, to tout the superiority of your grasp of reality.
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Over something for which there isn't the merest shred of objective evidence?

HELL YES!

Thanks for playing.
 
That follows Hitler, and Stalin...and I'm sure quite a few more dictators I haven't thought of.

The only fail here is you.
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I think you missed the sarcasm. If I had the political view that all who follow scientology should be killed, and person running for office agrees with my political views and is a scientologist, he would have to kill himself.
 
Lakryte said:
I think you missed the sarcasm. If I had the political view that all who follow scientology should be killed, and person running for office agrees with my political views and is a scientologist, he would have to kill himself.
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Sarcasm about what exactly? Were you just saying that to say point out a flaw in the original premise?
 
Sarcasm about what exactly? Were you just saying that to say point out a flaw in the original premise?
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Yes, exactly.
 
If he/she followed the path of small government, more freedom, and less taxes I care not of their religion (of course, freedom of religion would be a must).
 
peepnklown said:
If he/she followed the path of small government, more freedom, and less taxes I care not of their religion (of course, freedom of religion would be a must).
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After we certainly did not get almost any of what was advertised by the Obama campaign, I'm going to be extra paranoid the next time round. I won't trust an 'orthodox' Muslim to tell the truth of his motives; I won't trust an 'Atheist' to protect religious freedoms; and I won't trust a Christian to protect individual choice, etc., UNLESS such person not only talks the talk but has also demonstrated they he or she has walked the walk for a reasonable period of time. Without such assurance, religion could matter a great deal.

It should have clued us all in that President Obama's campaign rhetoric was nothing even close to his lifestyle, religion, associates, words, voting record, etc., but the people were suckered in by slick oratory and a rockstar persona.

I hope America will never be that gullible again.
 
bhkad said:
John Travolta is a Scientologist and pilots his own 707 jet airliner. That takes some skill and brains.

Greta Van Susteren is also a believer and she's pretty brainy.
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john Travolta is good person but dont have power i n church of scientology.Greta she have the power becuase she is lawyer.she i s mad now when she loose over million dollars in the church.
 
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