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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes I would because, as others have noted, if he has my political views, he'd know and practice that religious views have no place whatsoever in politics and he'd leave his Scientology nonsense at the door. This goes for any and all religions.
    Well, do try to take into account, that if people leave their religious views out, then man is nothing more than a animal, and a tiny, insignificant quirk of thermodynamics and may (there can be in this case no "should",) be treated accordingly.

    I want anyone in power over me to have a wider world view than simple physics. (Biology is a trivial subset of physics in a mechanistic universe, so no blather from anyone about that please.)
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by partier9 View Post
    Ok lets say a guy runs for the presidency. His political beliefs are the exact same as yours, he was the governor of his state for 8 years in which the state prospered in. He is honest and trustworthy and basically great in every way.

    However for a religion he is a scientologist, would you vote for him?

    Yup, eagerly and without reservation. One's religious beliefs don't matter in politics, unless one is trying to establish a theocracy.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    There are some extremely smart people in this world who believe the weirdest things...

    The CEO of the company I work for (70,000+ employees) is a big fan of The Hidden Messages in Water.

    He gave this book a huge plug at a conference I attended last year. I just sat there bewildered and embarrassed for him. But heck, he's making $20M a year. Who's to tell him he's wrong?!

    There is actually some credence to the idea of HADO Water...I did an experiment on it, so I know.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Hmm ... if he had my exact political beliefs, he'll also value secularism so sure.
    Indeed! Besides, at the end of the day the beliefs of Scientologists are really no more absurd or crazy than those of the Christians.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Well, do try to take into account, that if people leave their religious views out, then man is nothing more than a animal, and a tiny, insignificant quirk of thermodynamics and may (there can be in this case no "should",) be treated accordingly.

    I want anyone in power over me to have a wider world view than simple physics. (Biology is a trivial subset of physics in a mechanistic universe, so no blather from anyone about that please.)
    I want anyone who has power over me to accept REALITY, not silly imaginary father figures in the sky. You'd rather have them believe in a whole bunch of nonsense because it makes you feel better about yourself. I want them to be realistic and rational.

    But thanks for playing.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    Yup, eagerly and without reservation. One's religious beliefs don't matter in politics, unless one is trying to establish a theocracy.
    Considering that Scientology has "convert" or you are fired several companies around the world, then one has to ask one self.. what are their real motives.

    Lets not forget Operation Snow White and Operation Freakout either.. There have been many cases of direct involvement of the so called "Church of Scientology" in not only criminal acts but harassment and spying on people and even suspected assassinations.

    I remember a Time Magazine expose in the 1980s or 1990s, where its author had to go underground due to death threats and attempts on his life. In the article he had people claiming that the Church had the largest private "secret intelligence gathering" system in the world and kept tabs on everyone in the sect and all those who opposed it. The Church also sued Time Warner, and lost heavily in court after court.

    Also there is evidence that Scientology are targeting companies in certain sectors, converting or getting in high level management and then forcing the employees to either convert or get fired.

    Woman Forced to Study Scientology at Work, Complains to Radio Station, Fired

    Two fired for not becoming Scientologists

    Just some of the stories and there are claims that they are also targeting low level to higher level government positions to convert more people.

    On top of that, the Church of Scientology is so fixated on money that is not even funny. The amount of stories of fraud and theft involved with Scientology and the Church is not on the light side. There is a clear pattern of targeting grieving people to young very easily convinced people, getting them into massive debt with help from the churches people to buy the churches "courses" and then dumping them like yesterdays garbage. And when it comes to paying their taxes or living up to financial deals.. the Church has a history in Europe of doing neither. In Denmark it owes millions in back taxes, fines and even things like stamp duty on property deals. And Denmark houses the European HQ of the sect.. try to take a picture of the building and you will be harassed by Scientology security, have your picture taken, asked who you are, demanding your name and warned that you are on private property.. which you are not, since you are on the side walk.. opposite the building.. yes it happened to me. Funny thing was I was taking a picture of a Ferrari parked outside the "Church".. bet it was owned by the Danish leader.

    So while I agree with the principle of a persons religion not having any influence on my vote, I must take into account other factors like those involved with Scientology. I mean if the Mafia was a religion, would you vote for a person with said religion well knowing that it was a Mafia plant to gain financial gain for the Mafia?

    Scientology is no religion, it is a criminal organisation along the lines of the Mafia, Yakuza and so on.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Yikes, it goes to show that just because you have a **** load of money doesn't mean you are entirely smart or creditable.
    Sorry. I'm a bigot. Anybody who grabs two 303 cans and 'Clears' I shall not trust as a proxy for my interests.

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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    I was going to say if I thought the person would be a good President, sure. All religions are a bit nutty. I think Christianity is silly, too. But after reading the comments in this thread I changed my mind. I agree that some religions are just TOO nutty. I would never vote for a snake handler or whack job penecostal, fundamentalist Christian. They're nuts. There is something inherently wrong with their brain. Same goes for scientologists. There is silly, then there is over the top silly.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    I don't care what a person's religion is or even that a person's religion colors his/her perspective so long as the person employs and defends sound principles of government and share our Founders' beliefs re the proper role of government and the sanctity of our Constitutional, legal, civil, and unalienable rights.

    A much more innocuous, mainstream, politically correct, and publicly approved albeit ultra liberal Christian denomination as the respectable United Church of Christ might harbor certain dangers though.

    We elected a President who spent 20 years admiring, respecting, and extoling an anti-American minister preaching a racist, Marxist, 'black liberation theology'. This man was the President's mentor, beloved 'grandfather figure' with an elevated status in his campaign organization until he became a political liability and had to be thrown under the bus. The explanation was that "Yes, he was my minister, led me to Jesus Christ, married me to my wife, baptized my children, and provided considerable influence to help me up the ladder of power, but I never listened to him."

    Now we are seeing a mindset and policies and attitude that suggest that President Obama not only listened but embraced and absorbed a whole lot of that.

    So while a person's religious beliefs should not automatically disqualify him or her, certain kinds of indoctrination can also be important.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    i will vote for Amy Scobee. she i s good person. Shelly Corrias,John Travolta,Jeff Hawkin,Martin Rathburn are good scientologist allso.i will not vote for David Miscavige.

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