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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    All religions involve faith and belief in the unseen. From the POV of a non-believer ALL religionists are nuts.

    A Scientologist is just a bit nuttier, if you go by popular opinion.

    Any Christian who looks down his nose at another religion is a snob.

    But we are not voting for Pope or for that person to be a religious leader. Leave their religious belief out of the consideration for POTUS.
    To be a scientologist, that means one must have accepted the tenents of scientology, and if someone's accepted those tenents, I really don't see how they're intellectually solid enough to run a state or nation. It'd be the same as if one was a flat-earther.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Read the history of Scientology for a deeper understanding of crazy.

    It was created by a very questionable person about 60 years ago.
    There was nothing questionable about it.

    L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer who observed that the way to really get rich was to create a religion.

    Guess what he did?
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    All matter is a converted form of energy, and the matter of the body breaks down, returning all of the energy which initially formed the matter which constituted the body back to the system from which it came. If there is any physical component to the soul, the only available explanation now would be it would be of the same energy which the body is from (as it would be matter, and all matter is a converted form of energy). Subsequently, the soul would break down and the energy would dissipate.
    That's the problem. You and me have different explanations. From the LDS perspective the spirit is not from the same energy as the body. The spirit is the offspring of God and existed prior to birth here on earth.

    For something to be logical it must be from an argument that, if one were to accept the premises of the argument, one would be bound to accept the conclusion as true. Maybe I've missed something, but I don't recall you making any argument for the existence of a soul.
    I never stated my belief in a soul was logical, only that my belief is not nutty ie it is reasonable, and that my belief in a soul is just as logical as his non belief, ie if neither are logical they have equal amount of logic.

    You've stated your belief, and there's nothing unreasonable about your belief, but it's not logical.
    While technically I never stated my belief in a soul was logical, I do believe it is but my case wouldn't be to Joe because he doesn't accept the spiritual evidence that I accept in determining truth. It was never my intention to prove to him there is a soul, only to give my opinion that it is a reasonable belief.

    Similarly, it seemed to me that Joe simply stated that you haven't presented evidence that there is a soul.
    I stated up front the only evidence I had was of a type that he rejects. He was the one that implied his belief is logical, and that mine(and anyone who believes in an after life) is nutty. I know its my fault for not writing clearer, but you really should be telling this stuff to Joe.


    Some make the logical error in believing that if it's not logical to say there is a soul it must be logical to say there isn't a soul, in which case that individual would be making an illogical statement as well.
    Agreed.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    I would never vote for a scientologist.. I mean we dont vote for the mafia, so why Scientology?
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrFungus420 View Post
    There was nothing questionable about it.

    L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer who observed that the way to really get rich was to create a religion.

    Guess what he did?
    Not to mention avoid federal tax evasion and other charges.. funny how suddenly getting "religion status" made all those charges go away.. charges that kept him on a boat in international waters to avoid prosecution.

    Scientology is a criminal organisation. It is basically no better than the mafia and based on a pyramid scheme ... how else could the present leader of the sect go from living on the street to living in a highly guard multi million dollar estate?
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Yes I would because, as others have noted, if he has my political views, he'd know and practice that religious views have no place whatsoever in politics and he'd leave his Scientology nonsense at the door. This goes for any and all religions.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Being a member of it indicates, at least to me, that he is not very smart.
    There are some extremely smart people in this world who believe the weirdest things...

    The CEO of the company I work for (70,000+ employees) is a big fan of [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Messages-Water-Masaru-Emoto/dp/1582701148"]The Hidden Messages in Water.[/ame]

    He gave this book a huge plug at a conference I attended last year. I just sat there bewildered and embarrassed for him. But heck, he's making $20M a year. Who's to tell him he's wrong?!


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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhkad View Post
    All religions involve faith and belief in the unseen. From the POV of a non-believer ALL religionists are nuts.

    A Scientologist is just a bit nuttier, if you go by popular opinion.

    Any Christian who looks down his nose at another religion is a snob.

    But we are not voting for Pope or for that person to be a religious leader. Leave their religious belief out of the consideration for POTUS.
    Such a high sounding prescription for lethal blindness.

    What if the candidates religion called for racial superiority, subjugation of women, violent evangelicalism, a caste system, forced insemination, forced marriage, forced child marriage, or surgical corporal punishment, all of which are in vogue in some widespread religions?

    Don't you think that that would have a teensy bearing on the candidates, especially if his religion also permitted or encouraged deception to further its aims?
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    There are some extremely smart people in this world who believe the weirdest things...

    The CEO of the company I work for (70,000+ employees) is a big fan of The Hidden Messages in Water.

    He gave this book a huge plug at a conference I attended last year. I just sat there bewildered and embarrassed for him. But heck, he's making $20M a year. Who's to tell him he's wrong?!

    Yikes, it goes to show that just because you have a **** load of money doesn't mean you are entirely smart or creditable.
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    Re: Would you vote for this person?

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    Such a high sounding prescription for lethal blindness.

    What if the candidates religion called for racial superiority, subjugation of women, violent evangelicalism, a caste system, forced insemination, forced marriage, forced child marriage, or surgical corporal punishment, all of which are in vogue in some widespread religions?

    Don't you think that that would have a teensy bearing on the candidates, especially if his religion also permitted or encouraged deception to further its aims?
    I think a lot of people have come to accept Scientology as legitimate because the government recognizes them as a religion which I think is specious at best.
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