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    I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    And I am not a racist. But, I see a problem with our society. If we can have a black man elected president then it is time to stop all affirmative action laws. Either that or allow non hateful white race groups formally in society. Like college loans and ****.
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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Affirmative action seems to have served its purpose imo, i don't think racism is as prevelant as it was when it was first introduced.

    And why can't such groups exist already?


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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    I don't understand the poll options, so I'm not voting.
    Systematic discrimination against females and minorities still exists in this country, but is getting better. It is not time yet to let down our guard against it.

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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    I don't understand the poll options, so I'm not voting.
    Systematic discrimination against females and minorities still exists in this country, but is getting better. It is not time yet to let down our guard against it.
    Maybe you are not a white guy.
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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Maybe you are not a white guy.
    I'm a white girl.

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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Affirmative action seems to have served its purpose imo, i don't think racism is as prevelant as it was when it was first introduced.
    I agree, yep, but racism and sexism are still issues that affect us as a society. They may be less prevalent these days, but that's because we faced up to them, and we need to keep doing so to make further progress, in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila
    And why can't such groups exist already?
    They do already, sort of, in the form of organisations like the BNP. I've never seen a "white pride" group that wasn't, correspondingly, an anti-black/Asian group.
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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    They do already, sort of, in the form of organisations like the BNP.
    BNP are just racist group in sheeps clothing and people fall for it. Sad.


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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Poll options are overly biased.

    I did not vote.

    However, it is my opinion that any decision made by any person, company, government body, court, etc., which takes into account a person's race, sex, or any other characteristic except their skills and/or intelligence...

    Is IMO racist, bigoted, and discriminatory.

    For example, a contract which is bid for in my state is decided partially on how many subcontractors are women and minority owned businesses. This, IMO, is an obviously bigoted policy. Not in the sense that the potential for discrimination does not exist… Rather, in the sense that it assumes women and/or minorities cannot successfully bid for a contract on their own, without assistance.

    This is the basic argument that I level against any attempt to legislate “equality”. It can not be done. Punishment of discrimination, yes. Attempts at preempting it, no.
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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    I agree, yep, but racism and sexism are still issues that affect us as a society. They may be less prevalent these days, but that's because we faced up to them, and we need to keep doing so to make further progress, in my opinion.
    This is true. However, legislating/ruling/arbitrarily deciding that things must be a certain way does nothing to assist this. It only gives the illusion of doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Anima View Post
    They do already, sort of, in the form of organizations like the BNP. I've never seen a "white pride" group that wasn't, correspondingly, an anti-black/Asian group.
    This is true.

    However, I would also venture to say that ANY group which supports/advocates for only one portion of the human race... Is also, de facto, anti-all other races/ethnicities/groups.
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    Re: I'm just a white grumpy guy....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    This is true. However, legislating/ruling/arbitrarily deciding that things must be a certain way does nothing to assist this. It only gives the illusion of doing so.
    I'd have to disgaree, strongly. Many milestones in the fight for racial equality have resulted because of legislation: Loving vs. Virginia, Brown vs. Board of Education etc. While change at a personal level, and activism at the grassroots at both extremely important factors in social change, one cannot dismiss the role changes to the law have played in fighting racial injustice.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMark
    This is true.

    However, I would also venture to say that ANY group which supports/advocates for only one portion of the human race... Is also, de facto, anti-all other races/ethnicities/groups.
    I completely disagree. Would you call the NAACP "anti-white"? It's quite possible to agitate for the rights of an opressed group with being "anti" anything or anyone else. It's when one decides to campaign for a "priveleged" group, shouting about how whites are the primary victims of racism(not a chance), or men the primary victims of sexism(again, not a chance), that the average person will become suspicious about one's true motivations.
    Last edited by Anima; 07-28-09 at 09:32 PM.
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