I'm just a white grumpy guy....

[dirtpoorchris]

And I am not a racist. But, I see a problem with our society. If we can have a black man elected president then it is time to stop all affirmative action laws. Either that or allow non hateful white race groups formally in society. Like college loans and ****.

 

[Laila]

Affirmative action seems to have served its purpose imo, i don't think racism is as prevelant as it was when it was first introduced.

And why can't such groups exist already?

 

[1069]

I don't understand the poll options, so I'm not voting.
Systematic discrimination against females and minorities still exists in this country, but is getting better. It is not time yet to let down our guard against it.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

I don't understand the poll options, so I'm not voting.
Systematic discrimination against females and minorities still exists in this country, but is getting better. It is not time yet to let down our guard against it.

Maybe you are not a white guy.

 

[1069]

Maybe you are not a white guy.

I'm a white girl.

 

[Anima]

Affirmative action seems to have served its purpose imo, i don't think racism is as prevelant as it was when it was first introduced.

I agree, yep, but racism and sexism are still issues that affect us as a society. They may be less prevalent these days, but that's because we faced up to them, and we need to keep doing so to make further progress, in my opinion.

And why can't such groups exist already?

They do already, sort of, in the form of organisations like the BNP. I've never seen a "white pride" group that wasn't, correspondingly, an anti-black/Asian group.

 

[Laila]

They do already, sort of, in the form of organisations like the BNP.

BNP are just racist group in sheeps clothing and people fall for it. Sad.

 

[The Mark]

Poll options are overly biased.

I did not vote.

However, it is my opinion that any decision made by any person, company, government body, court, etc., which takes into account a person's race, sex, or any other characteristic except their skills and/or intelligence...

Is IMO racist, bigoted, and discriminatory.

For example, a contract which is bid for in my state is decided partially on how many subcontractors are women and minority owned businesses. This, IMO, is an obviously bigoted policy. Not in the sense that the potential for discrimination does not exist… Rather, in the sense that it assumes women and/or minorities cannot successfully bid for a contract on their own, without assistance.

This is the basic argument that I level against any attempt to legislate “equality”. It can not be done. Punishment of discrimination, yes. Attempts at preempting it, no.

 

[The Mark]

I agree, yep, but racism and sexism are still issues that affect us as a society. They may be less prevalent these days, but that's because we faced up to them, and we need to keep doing so to make further progress, in my opinion.

This is true. However, legislating/ruling/arbitrarily deciding that things must be a certain way does nothing to assist this. It only gives the illusion of doing so.

They do already, sort of, in the form of organizations like the BNP. I've never seen a "white pride" group that wasn't, correspondingly, an anti-black/Asian group.

This is true.

However, I would also venture to say that ANY group which supports/advocates for only one portion of the human race... Is also, de facto, anti-all other races/ethnicities/groups.

 

[Anima]

This is true. However, legislating/ruling/arbitrarily deciding that things must be a certain way does nothing to assist this. It only gives the illusion of doing so.

I'd have to disgaree, strongly. Many milestones in the fight for racial equality have resulted because of legislation: Loving vs. Virginia, Brown vs. Board of Education etc. While change at a personal level, and activism at the grassroots at both extremely important factors in social change, one cannot dismiss the role changes to the law have played in fighting racial injustice.

This is true.

However, I would also venture to say that ANY group which supports/advocates for only one portion of the human race... Is also, de facto, anti-all other races/ethnicities/groups.

I completely disagree. Would you call the NAACP "anti-white"? It's quite possible to agitate for the rights of an opressed group with being "anti" anything or anyone else. It's when one decides to campaign for a "priveleged" group, shouting about how whites are the primary victims of racism(not a chance), or men the primary victims of sexism(again, not a chance), that the average person will become suspicious about one's true motivations.

 

[The Mark]

I'd have to disgaree, strongly. Many milestones in the fight for racial equality have resulted because of legislation: Loving vs. Virginia, Brown vs. Board of Education etc. While change at a personal level, and activism at the grassroots at both extremely important factors in social change, one cannot dismiss the role changes to the law have played in fighting racial injustice.

I was perhaps not specific enough. In fact, I know I wasn't.

I was refering to those laws and legislations which specified different requirements for some people who looked or sounded different. Such is, IMO, discriminatory.

I further add that I do not in any way dislike laws which punish obvious and blatent racial/sexual discriminatory behavior in a decision process.

I completely disagree. Would you call the NAACP "anti-white"? It's quite possible to agitate for the rights of an opressed group with being "anti" anything or anyone else. It's when one decides to campaign for a "priveleged" group, shouting about how whites are the primary victims of racism(not a chance), or men the primary victims of sexism(again, not a chance), that the average person will become suspicious about one's true motivations.

I specifically stated "ANY group which supports/advocates for only one portion of the human race... "

The NAACP, as far as I am aware, does not advocate for only one portion of the human race.

 

[jamesrage]

BNP are just racist group in sheeps clothing and people fall for it. Sad.

Kind of makes you wonder how bad the other parties screwed the people for them to resort to voting for racist.

 

[jamesrage]

And I am not a racist. But, I see a problem with our society. If we can have a black man elected president then it is time to stop all affirmative action laws. Either that or allow non hateful white race groups formally in society. Like college loans and ****.

Affirmative action should have been stopped a long time ago regardless of the race of the president,black history month should be eliminated and integrated into regular history and race based groups should have also been discouraged. How can we sit there and tell out kids that a persons skin color doesn't matter if we have segregated history,race groups, racist discriminatory practices called affirmative action and a lot of forms have select your race?

 

[1069]

And I am not a racist. But, I see a problem with our society. If we can have a black man elected president then it is time to stop all affirmative action laws.

We haven't had a female president. or even a female vice president.
Does this mean then that you support continued affirmative action for females?

 

[rivrrat]

Affirmative action laws are blatant racism and sexism written into law. I cannot believe they haven't been deemed unconstitutional yet.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Affirmative action should have been stopped a long time ago regardless of the race of the president,black history month should be eliminated and integrated into regular history and race based groups should have also been discouraged. How can we sit there and tell out kids that a persons skin color doesn't matter if we have segregated history,race groups, racist discriminatory practices called affirmative action and a lot of forms have select your race?

The one thing imo that has kept what racism and bigotry there is going are statistics. You almost can't go through one single day where you don't hear of some statistic that seperates the different races. For example....

CNN Presidential Exit Polls

 

[Ethereal]

I agree, yep, but racism and sexism are still issues that affect us as a society. They may be less prevalent these days, but that's because we faced up to them, and we need to keep doing so to make further progress, in my opinion.

What specific instances of racism/sexism are you referring to and how do you plan on rectifying those disparities?

 

[WI Crippler]

I cannot believe they haven't been deemed unconstitutional yet.

Why is that? Have you been watching a different government than the one I have? :2razz:

It makes total sense that Affirmative action was put into place. Instead of using Occam's Razor, and doing the simple thing, by simply stating that nobody can be discriminated against due to race/gender etc....and allowing those who had been previously discriminated against to rise up and take control of their own destiny, we decided we would reverse the ship and make it so that if we "fix the numbers" regarding racial/gender quotas, we would have absolved discrimination. So instead of people receiving jobs/benefits on the basis of their ability, we propped up a faux "equality" that was handed out, not achieved through effort and skill.

It's about par for the course as far as our government goes. Take a good and noble idea, and take it in 100 wrong directions.

 

[Kal'Stang]

BTW, I couldn't answer the poll because it doesn't have the option that I would consider appropriate.

It is undeniable that racism and bigotry do still exist. So we're not completely equal yet.

But AA has always been a mistake imo. There are better ways to go about getting rid of racism and bigotry.

 

[Joe1991]

Maybe you are not a white guy.

Well I am a white male, and I can say i've had it pretty easy my whole life.

I've never been racially profiled or discriminated against.

Every door I've ever knocked on (literally and figuratively) has always opened up for me.

I honestly can't think of a black man I would want to trade places with.

 

[1069]

Well I am a white male, and I can say i've had it pretty easy my whole life.

I've never been racially profiled or discriminated against.

Every door I've ever knocked on (literally and figuratively) has always opened up for me.

I honestly can't think of a black man I would want to trade places with.

Ditto. I can't imagine my life would've been easier if I hadn't been white.
I'm able to speak to the power structure when I need to, and be acknowledged and heard, and I don't think that would be the case if I were of another race.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Ditto. I can't imagine my life would've been easier if I hadn't been white.
I'm able to speak to the power structure when I need to, and be acknowledged and heard, and I don't think that would be the case if I were of another race.

Every race has this ability. What makes you think that other races can't?

 

[1069]

Every race has this ability. What makes you think that other races can't?

I've just intuited it.
From what I've seen, a black person has to be extraordinary to be taken as seriously as an ordinary white person.

 

[Ethereal]

I honestly can't think of a black man I would want to trade places with.

Why not? Are you racist or something?

I'd be Michael Jordan!

 

[Kal'Stang]

I've just intuited it.
From what I've seen, a black person has to be extraordinary to be taken as seriously as an ordinary white person.

From my perspective 95% of the time black folks are taken just as seriously as a white guy.