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Is Obama secretly a racist?

Is Obama secretly a racist?

  • Yes

    Votes: 17 32.7%
  • No

    Votes: 35 67.3%

  • Total voters
    52
Poppy? Now by your definition that'd be racist right?


Nope, see how often you FAIL? :lol:


We're talking about how it applies to current case law. As a person who has experienced sexual and racial discrimination she would know quite a bit from experience compared to a white man who hasn't been discriminated against. This is about personal experiences. This is like when Alito said because of his immigrant family and his experiences he has more sensitivity in dealing with immigration cases. Once again you hear what you want to hear.

What does white or Latina have to do with anything? FAIL



It was not a racist statement quit projecting.

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Sure and you have no facts. Again you have yet to prove intent or show how it fits the definition. I thought you were done?

I pretty much am, can't you tell by

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:lamo


You've proved nothing thus far. I asked how it applies to the definition of the words and you skirted around it. Keep tap dancing.


You are speaking nonsense now. FAIL





Not even close to what I said. You're the one making the accussations of racism and race-baiting but cannot prove how they fit the definition of the word it seems more like you projecting how you feel off on Obama and other people than what they do themselves.


Already did... yup.... you FAIL





Chalk this up as another copout by you


More nonsense..... FAIL

I'm not slandering you, you've done that yourself. Again you have yet to prove how it fits the definition quit copping out.


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Of course not because you don't have the answer. You make statements but can't prove them. You didn't prove race-baiting or racism and so this is how you copout. Prove it to the definition and you might have a point otherwise you're just throwing **** at the wall and hoping it sticks.



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No speculation its what happened. Do you not think he'd get hillary voters from Palin?


On one hand, I can't according to you prove that Obama's own words and actions are race baiting, and some racial overtones, and in the same breath you want to claim Palin was picked cause she hawt, as fact?


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It's repetitive because you keep tap dancing out of proving the definition. Thus far you have out of context statements which you have yet to fit to the definition of race-baiting and racism.


What context did I take them out of?


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Nope, see how often you FAIL? :lol:

Ahh so you refuse to debate how childish.



What does white or Latina have to do with anything? FAIL
I already explained this to you again what venue was it? She was speaking to minority students about minority issues. Being a minority she is likely to be racially and sexually discriminated against. I doubt you even read her speech. Many people who have that were railing against her have come to realize that she wasn't being a racist. Don't be dense.




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I pretty much am, can't you tell by

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In order to be done you actually had to start. Again you failed miserably in this debate to prove to the definition of racism and race-baiting how Obama fit any of those.

:lamo





You are speaking nonsense now. FAIL
Not even close







Already did... yup.... you FAIL
Nope you never did but if this is the level of how you debate I'd have to say you need to brush up a little on your maturity. I clearly asked you how your claims fit the definition and you didn't answer and then claimed you did. I'm just going to clear up some space here since you have nothing to say for most of this post.


On one hand, I can't according to you prove that Obama's own words and actions are race baiting, and some racial overtones, and in the same breath you want to claim Palin was picked cause she hawt, as fact?

Not according to me but according to the definition. You didn't show how it fit the definition you didn't prove intent or in the part of racism and actually continued intollerance or feeling of racial superiority. So yes you failed there.
You said that McCain was sexist I said it was more male chauvinism. He picked her over 3 overly qualified women and went with one he met for a few minutes. Tell me what do you chalk that up as?

What context did I take them out of?


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Well considering the point that the quote in dreams from our father was a statement made by Reverand Wright that you tried to attribute to Obama I'd say you screwed that one up royally. The part where you made Obama's statement about the arrest stupid and tried to make it about race when it wasn't. See here's the problem no matter what Obama does now you're going to call it racist or race-baiting. This has been happening since day 1 and there's no more proof now than there was then. Explain how it fits the definition or quit wasting time.
 
Everyone knows that Obama took the side of the black prof. from Cambridge and condemned the police without even having the facts so my question begs to be asked:

Are you ?
Am I ?
I do not think we is, this flaw would be impossible to hide - - even if his "race" has suffered from racism probably since day one..
I do think that he, like most of us is "race sensitive".
Man needs to grow up and become "color blind".
Very few have.
 
Secret racist would imply he takes pains to conceal his racism. He doesn't. He proudly exudes the typical destructive racism the lunatic Right misunderstands

A little necessary amendment for you.

Paul
 
Are you ?
Am I ?
I do not think we is, this flaw would be impossible to hide - - even if his "race" has suffered from racism probably since day one..
I do think that he, like most of us is "race sensitive".
Man needs to grow up and become "color blind".
Very few have.

The Messiah's flaw wasn't hidden. Most everyone that had the sense to not vote for him could see his racism. Only a racist could spend twenty years in Rev Wright's flock.
 
Probably a little bit because almost everyone is a little bit racist. It's a natural consequence of our evolutionary biology, i think. Our species survived by entering into "social groupings" of individuals that could protect one another. For hundreds of thousands of years, small bands of folks who looked and acted very similarly to one another constantly kept vigilant watch to spot "outsiders". If they ran into another group of their own species, that was taller, shorter, lighter, darker, ... whatever, they would instantly be suspicious of that group of people that didn't look quite like they. Our minds work by categorizing, and one way that we categorize is by appearance. This is why in high schools you get so many cliques. And in the majority of those cliques, the majority of members are of one color/race, and look and dress alike.

So yes, Obama is probably just a little bit racist, just like the best of us. I doubt that he's any more racist than the average joe who despises racism as a concept, but he's probably not much less racist than the average joe, either.
 
No, I do not believe he is secretly a racist. I believe he made a foolish choice in his assumption that the incident was race based and that in turn led him to make a foolish remark about the incident.

Obama has shown no more "racist" tendencies than most people on this board if you ask me.
 
No, I do not believe he is secretly a racist. I believe he made a foolish choice in his assumption that the incident was race based and that in turn led him to make a foolish remark about the incident.

Obama has shown no more "racist" tendencies than most people on this board if you ask me.




Really?


racist church

his comments about his grandmother

his choice of a racist scotus

his DWB charge on the cambridge officer

his "I dont look like the other canidates" remark

his "white mans greed"

and on and on....


no he's probably not a racist, but race is at the forefront of his mindset, and he still feels slighted by whitey for some reason./
 
Really?


racist church

his comments about his grandmother

his choice of a racist scotus

his DWB charge on the cambridge officer

his "I dont look like the other canidates" remark

his "white mans greed"

and on and on....


no he's probably not a racist, but race is at the forefront of his mindset, and he still feels slighted by whitey for some reason./

:rofl What airlines are you flying on 'cause I wanna get that high too!

Reverse racism is a nice dodge.
 
Really.

racist church
You mean racist pastor right? Did Obama engage in any racist activity while attending that church? Did he engage in conduct that in some way was discriminatory against other races while attending that church?

his comments about his grandmother
What about them?

his choice of a racist scotus
That is your opinion.
his DWB charge on the cambridge officer
He was not being a racist, he was being presumptuous.

his "I dont look like the other canidates" remark
That was not a racist remark, it was an acknowledgment of the historical trend.

his "white mans greed"
He was referencing the first sermon he ever heard by Rev. Wright and telling people how it impacted him. He was describing and event in his life. That is not racist. He wasn't affirming Wrights words, he was discussing their impact upon him when he was younger.

and on and on....
On and on what?


no he's probably not a racist,
Prbably not.

but race is at the forefront of his mindset,
It's possible.

and he still feels slighted by whitey for some reason./
I don't see that as being the case at all. But it's your opinion and that's okay.
 
:lol: lerxst, I thanked your for your pragmatism.... :thumbs:


Yeah, I see him the same way I see Dinkins. Maybe I am jaded because I have been at the recieving end of reverse racism in NY.....


His parrallells to me are uncanny.....
 
If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.
 
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If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.

I certainly see your point. I attended a Christian church throughout my formative years and the pastor as well as the elders and Sunday school teachers are railed against gays. It was almost uncomfortable. They were certainly hateful homophobes.

But that didn't make me homophobic. The last two churches I attended also spoke of the abomination that was homosexuality. It wasn't enough for me to quit over (I quit when they started trying to lay hands on me and get me to speak in tongues...yikes) but it didn't make me a homophobe or a gay hater.
 
:lol: lerxst, I thanked your for your pragmatism.... :thumbs:


Yeah, I see him the same way I see Dinkins. Maybe I am jaded because I have been at the recieving end of reverse racism in NY.....


His parrallells to me are uncanny.....

Fair enough.
 
The Messiah's flaw wasn't hidden. Most everyone that had the sense to not vote for him could see his racism. Only a racist could spend twenty years in Rev Wright's flock.A man must get his sleep somehow.
A "Messiah" has no flaws... Obama probably has some racism; I know that I do..The problem with the police is "over-reacting", not racism, I think..
 
You mean racist pastor right? Did Obama engage in any racist activity while attending that church? Did he engage in conduct that in some way was discriminatory against other races while attending that church?

Depends on what you call "engage in any racist activity" I suppose. For example: That church seemed to me to be quite vocal in response to whatever Wright said in any of the videos that I seen of his "sermons". Either clapping or shouting or whatever. Do you think that Obama did any of these things when Wright went on a racist sermon? I would have to say that the chances are yes he did. Clapping and what not would indicate that they agree with whatever Wright said.


That is your opinion.

Yes it is his opinion. Mine to if you want me to be honest. But look at it this way. If she had made such a comment when being selected for jury duty do you think that she would have made jury duty? If the answer is no then how could she possibly be nominated for SCOTUS if she doesn't even qualify for jury duty because of such a statement?

He was not being a racist, he was being presumptuous.

That too imo. The guy didn't know all the facts but he went off on a speil about racial profiling. That to me indicates that no matter what the cop had said he would still have taken Gates word over the cops.
 
Depends on what you call "engage in any racist activity" I suppose. For example: That church seemed to me to be quite vocal in response to whatever Wright said in any of the videos that I seen of his "sermons". Either clapping or shouting or whatever. Do you think that Obama did any of these things when Wright went on a racist sermon? I would have to say that the chances are yes he did. Clapping and what not would indicate that they agree with whatever Wright said.

Maybe, but black churches deserve a handicap because they are incredibly noisy and big on clapping and yelling by their nature. A cultural norm preserved by slaves from Africa even after they converted to Christianity. Sitting quietly simply is not done, no matter what the subject being discussed is or whether you agree with it, like a Catholic refusing to take sacrament because they don't believe in consuming alcohol. At any rate, I know that Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches and that blacks themselves confess to not believing in every opinion espoused by their local spiritual authority.

That too imo. The guy didn't know all the facts but he went off on a speil about racial profiling. That to me indicates that no matter what the cop had said he would still have taken Gates word over the cops.

By some standards, the cop acted stupidly -- rashly at least. But I'm getting tired of talking about it.
 
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If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.

I agree with you for the most part, but I have been in many black churches from Louisiana to Illinois, and I have never heard anything like what the good rev. preached.

I don't know what black churches you have been attending, but Wright's comments are in no reasonable way relatively typical of black clergymen.
 
I know that Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches and that blacks themselves confess to not believing in every opinion espoused by their local spiritual authority.

"Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches"

Based on what?

Being a black man and attending many, many black churches while growing up and as an adult I can honestly say that really is not true. Calling for the destruction of America and the White race are not typical of any Christian church, be it black or white.
 
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How the **** is one supposed to know whether Obama is secretly a racist or not?? Should we ask a magic 8-ball? Consult a ouija board? Or are we supposed to use our fantastic powers of clairvoyance to learn the true nature of Obama's feelings on race??
 
How the **** is one supposed to know whether Obama is secretly a racist or not?? Should we ask a magic 8-ball? Consult a ouija board? Or are we supposed to use our fantastic powers of clairvoyance to learn the true nature of Obama's feelings on race??

You are supposedly to draw your own conclusions based soley on his race :).

The irony here is that you have a group of people who are simply so bothered and threatened by the very fact we have a "other" in office, the one sure path is to label him a racist. As if this will then give them more free license to attack him for just about anything short of breathing. Take the birthers, their whole agenda is to simply believe that by the mere fact he is not legitimate to be President then they can remain safe and assured that this country did NOT elect an African American.

It is somewhat amusing, and disturbing, to see a bunch of lily white fools become so overly sensitive about the tiniest of issues. For them EVERYTHING is about race, regardless of the merits. Was Obama racist for saying the police acted stupidly? Well let us change the scenario. Say a Irish President was asked the same question about a German police arresting a French professor in the same way. Take race completely out of the picture and you still have a police force that acted...stupidly for arresting someone who did not need to be arrested.

He never said the police were racists did he, but he did however point out a very simple fact of life for minorities in America. As long as racial profiling exists, the question will always remain whether race was the issue. But of course these people, who are so sensitive to race issues (/sarcasm), wouldn't have a clue to the effects of systematic racism in America and it's legacy. These are the same people that think just because we (not them..ever) have elected an African American President, race issues are all in the past.
 
I don't think Obama is anymore of a racist than, say, the people who adamantly declare that they are not. No more racist than the person who started this thread. No more racist than the people reading and replying to this thread.

All he can do, (and this goes for everyone I suppose,) for the sake of rightousness, is to keep it buried as deep as he can. (Which, I might add, he is doing a piss-poor job at. I found the Gates ordeal to be a perfect example.)

I have long thought that he and Michelle are the type, when the lights are low, in the most secretive of moments, to talk about "whitey." But I certainly have no evidence of such so I must digress. I just know how people ARE (no matter what the SAY they are.)

It will be decades, if not centuries before racism is dead and gone here in the US (if ever.) All sides. I think, underneath it all, there's racism in everybody in one form or another. The best we can do is realize it's worth, (which is zero,) and try to be better people. Maybe in 4 or 5 generations, it will truly be a thing of the past in every way.

<Que: Everybody jump in now and tell us all just how much of an anti-racist you are. :roll:>
 
I have long thought that he and Michelle are the type, when the lights are low, in the most secretive of moments, to talk about "whitey." But I certainly have no evidence of such so I must digress. I just know how people ARE (no matter what the SAY they are.)



And was it your ouija board or your magic 8-ball that told you this?
 
And was it your ouija board or your magic 8-ball that told you this?

It is an ancient, mystical, seventh sense I am endowed with (being the seventh son, of the seventh son, and all.) It's the same sense that tells me whether it's raining or if it's someone just pissing on my head. :mrgreen:
 
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