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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Really?
    Really.

    racist church
    You mean racist pastor right? Did Obama engage in any racist activity while attending that church? Did he engage in conduct that in some way was discriminatory against other races while attending that church?

    his comments about his grandmother
    What about them?

    his choice of a racist scotus
    That is your opinion.
    his DWB charge on the cambridge officer
    He was not being a racist, he was being presumptuous.

    his "I dont look like the other canidates" remark
    That was not a racist remark, it was an acknowledgment of the historical trend.

    his "white mans greed"
    He was referencing the first sermon he ever heard by Rev. Wright and telling people how it impacted him. He was describing and event in his life. That is not racist. He wasn't affirming Wrights words, he was discussing their impact upon him when he was younger.

    and on and on....
    On and on what?


    no he's probably not a racist,
    Prbably not.

    but race is at the forefront of his mindset,
    It's possible.

    and he still feels slighted by whitey for some reason./
    I don't see that as being the case at all. But it's your opinion and that's okay.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    lerxst, I thanked your for your pragmatism....


    Yeah, I see him the same way I see Dinkins. Maybe I am jaded because I have been at the recieving end of reverse racism in NY.....


    His parrallells to me are uncanny.....
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.
    I certainly see your point. I attended a Christian church throughout my formative years and the pastor as well as the elders and Sunday school teachers are railed against gays. It was almost uncomfortable. They were certainly hateful homophobes.

    But that didn't make me homophobic. The last two churches I attended also spoke of the abomination that was homosexuality. It wasn't enough for me to quit over (I quit when they started trying to lay hands on me and get me to speak in tongues...yikes) but it didn't make me a homophobe or a gay hater.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    lerxst, I thanked your for your pragmatism....


    Yeah, I see him the same way I see Dinkins. Maybe I am jaded because I have been at the recieving end of reverse racism in NY.....


    His parrallells to me are uncanny.....
    Fair enough.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Messiah's flaw wasn't hidden. Most everyone that had the sense to not vote for him could see his racism. Only a racist could spend twenty years in Rev Wright's flock.A man must get his sleep somehow.
    A "Messiah" has no flaws... Obama probably has some racism; I know that I do..The problem with the police is "over-reacting", not racism, I think..

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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    You mean racist pastor right? Did Obama engage in any racist activity while attending that church? Did he engage in conduct that in some way was discriminatory against other races while attending that church?
    Depends on what you call "engage in any racist activity" I suppose. For example: That church seemed to me to be quite vocal in response to whatever Wright said in any of the videos that I seen of his "sermons". Either clapping or shouting or whatever. Do you think that Obama did any of these things when Wright went on a racist sermon? I would have to say that the chances are yes he did. Clapping and what not would indicate that they agree with whatever Wright said.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    That is your opinion.
    Yes it is his opinion. Mine to if you want me to be honest. But look at it this way. If she had made such a comment when being selected for jury duty do you think that she would have made jury duty? If the answer is no then how could she possibly be nominated for SCOTUS if she doesn't even qualify for jury duty because of such a statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    He was not being a racist, he was being presumptuous.
    That too imo. The guy didn't know all the facts but he went off on a speil about racial profiling. That to me indicates that no matter what the cop had said he would still have taken Gates word over the cops.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Depends on what you call "engage in any racist activity" I suppose. For example: That church seemed to me to be quite vocal in response to whatever Wright said in any of the videos that I seen of his "sermons". Either clapping or shouting or whatever. Do you think that Obama did any of these things when Wright went on a racist sermon? I would have to say that the chances are yes he did. Clapping and what not would indicate that they agree with whatever Wright said.
    Maybe, but black churches deserve a handicap because they are incredibly noisy and big on clapping and yelling by their nature. A cultural norm preserved by slaves from Africa even after they converted to Christianity. Sitting quietly simply is not done, no matter what the subject being discussed is or whether you agree with it, like a Catholic refusing to take sacrament because they don't believe in consuming alcohol. At any rate, I know that Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches and that blacks themselves confess to not believing in every opinion espoused by their local spiritual authority.

    That too imo. The guy didn't know all the facts but he went off on a speil about racial profiling. That to me indicates that no matter what the cop had said he would still have taken Gates word over the cops.
    By some standards, the cop acted stupidly -- rashly at least. But I'm getting tired of talking about it.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    If anybody thinks attending Reverend Jeremiah Wright's sermons qualifies as racism, then there is a profound misunderstanding of both black churches and religious institutions in the United States in general. Jeremiah Wright's comments are relatively typical of black clergymen, and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of church attendees. Similarly, the moral and political views of Catholic priests or the Vatican are not always reflective of those of layman Catholics, and the same holds true of other institutions. On condoms, for example. People who occupy positions of spiritual authority are not always as "pragmatic" as the general public they preach to; they tend to over-represent more obscure and radical opinions.
    I agree with you for the most part, but I have been in many black churches from Louisiana to Illinois, and I have never heard anything like what the good rev. preached.

    I don't know what black churches you have been attending, but Wright's comments are in no reasonable way relatively typical of black clergymen.
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    Re: Is Obama secretly a racist?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    I know that Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches and that blacks themselves confess to not believing in every opinion espoused by their local spiritual authority.
    "Reverend Wright's sermons are relatively typical of black churches"

    Based on what?

    Being a black man and attending many, many black churches while growing up and as an adult I can honestly say that really is not true. Calling for the destruction of America and the White race are not typical of any Christian church, be it black or white.
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