View Poll Results: Is the end goal here the destruction of private insurance

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    Attn1 The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives with he

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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    Why would anyone be surprised?

    Moving the responsibility for health insurance from the private sector to the public sector results ina HUGE increae in power for the federal government, something the Democrats are all in favor of.

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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Why would anyone be surprised?

    Moving the responsibility for health insurance from the private sector to the public sector results ina HUGE increae in power for the federal government, something the Democrats are all in favor of.

    That's true. But it only makes them the same as the GOP in that regard. The government gets bigger no matter which one is in power.
    Wow. Am I awesome or what?

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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    Quote Originally Posted by stekim View Post
    That's true. But it only makes them the same as the GOP in that regard. The government gets bigger no matter which one is in power.
    If that were true, why doesnt the GOP support the heath care farce presently under discussion?

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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    The end goal is an alternative to expensive private insurance. This means private insurance will have to compete with govt insurance and provide maybe an even better plan. But we'll see, private insurance will not be wiped unless those companies choose to wipe themselves out by not bettering their plans.


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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The end goal is an alternative to expensive private insurance. This means private insurance will have to compete with govt insurance and provide maybe an even better plan. But we'll see, private insurance will not be wiped unless those companies choose to wipe themselves out by not bettering their plans.
    The end goal is government control of nearly 20% of the American economy.

    Then you add in government ownership of GM, the banks, the energy industry, and how much free enterprise is left?

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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The end goal is an alternative to expensive private insurance. This means private insurance will have to compete with govt insurance and provide maybe an even better plan. But we'll see, private insurance will not be wiped unless those companies choose to wipe themselves out by not bettering their plans.
    The problem is that a government run insurance system is not dependent on what money it makes from it's clients.

    It can be allocated funds collected from everyone in the form of taxes.

    Thus, it could have a massive management failure and simply be fed more funds to prop it up.

    I draw the conclusion that private insurance companies would have no chance, unless:

    1. The state insurance does not receive any public funding, OR.
    2. The public funding for the insurance program is distributed in such a way that the private companies can receive the funding, if they provide an insurance plan to the same specifications of the state insurance plans.

    As I see it, any state-sponsored or run program has an unfair advantage when compared to private programs attempting to serve the same purpose. Public funding.

    Personally, I am opposed to any state-run health care system. I would prefer that, at the most, the federal government influence and support the current system into fixing it's own issues.

    I do not know exactly what those issues are, and I doubt many have more than a general idea.


    However, the general ideas I am aware of are:
    1. Too many unpaid medical procedures raise the costs for the people who pay.
    2. The supply of medical personnel is too low for the demand.
    3. Unreasonable/frivolous/unwinable lawsuits leveled against hospitals/medical personnel raise the overhead for their business.


    These all seem like issues which could be addressed without state-run health care. And, really, how would state run health care deal with those same issues?
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    Re: The smoking gun: Democrats scramble to suppress leaks about actual objectives wit

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    The end goal is an alternative to expensive private insurance.
    Schakowsky and Feingold obviously don't see it that way. That's a stepping stone at best.
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