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Thread: Role of government in Education

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    Role of government in Education

    PLEASE NOTE THIS IS A PUBLIC POLL

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    government is all knowing, it is always right, it never lies, it has no hidden agendas, sociopaths have no interest in running for office. we are nothing but sinners, we know nothing, our government wouldn't just murder us if we asked it to go away. we must all hand the minds of our children over to the government and let the government form their world view. it worked for Hitler, Stalin and Mao so it can't be wrong.

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    an average adult is either not willing or not able to provide his children with the best possible education. the government should use its massive resources to ASSIST in educating children. this assistance should come in the form of vouchers and the government should be prohibited from running any schools of its own. allowing the government to run its own schools is allowing the state to control the minds of young people and since everybody was once young to effectively control the minds of all of its subjects.

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    education is a good, it is not a right. the government has no responsibility to provide or assist anybody with education. strip dancing is a good way for a young woman to pay for college. we don't need every retard to study astrophysics. somebody has to clean the toilets. let the market sort the suckers out.

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    by the way option 1 is what we have today. option 3 is what Ron Paul wants. option 2 is what i want.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    education is a servie, not a "good".

    Also, and more importantly for the United States, the federal government isn't authorized by the Constitution to spend money on education.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Where I live is a great example of failing education. The state govt often cuts funding to provide funds for other stuff, even when they know education is suffering.

    I can easily sum op the attitude of many people here in Texas with just three words: they don't care. The teachers feel they don't get paid enough, the dropout rate is skyrocketing, and something's gotta give. I feel like there needs to be some government intervention despite the general Texan attitude of "Lions, Tigers, Bears, Government! Oh my!" I'm not saying a complete govt takeover, but assistance is needed, definitely.

    Education is not a good, it is an investment in the future of the country, so why not provide even a little government assistance.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    I believe that the local and state governments should assist in education, and that the federal side stays out, mostly. However, it's more so of an organization/planning problem than a funding problem. Throwing money at education doesn't solve a damn thing.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    None of the above.


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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Education is a national resource, vital to our prosperity, growth, and future, and as such government has a vested interest in assuring is not squandered and denied to its citizens for it is integral for our nation as a whole.

    Unfortunately our government does way too much meddling with this resource instead of simply enabling.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Education is a national resource, vital to our prosperity, growth, and future, and as such government has a vested interest in assuring is not squandered and denied to its citizens for it is integral for our nation as a whole.

    Unfortunately our government does way too much meddling with this resource instead of simply enabling.
    No.

    Lead is a natural resource.

    Education is a service parents should be willing to pay their own money to provide for their kids.

    Needless to say, the Constitution does not authorize federal spending on education.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    Lead is a natural resource.

    Education is a service parents should be willing to pay their own money to provide for their kids.

    Needless to say, the Constitution does not authorize federal spending on education.
    So people are not a national resource? I would dare say we are its most vital resource.. and yes we are resources, we do the labor, we pay the budget, we provide the military.. without people there would be no nation.. I would call that a fairly vital resource.

    I did not realize that the constitution was supposed to dictate any and all government expenditures for the entire future of our nation, especially ones that are integral for its own well being. Self preservation is most certainly an applicable expense. But yeah you are right, we don't need fire stations or roads either I suppose <shrug>

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    So people are not a national resource? I would dare say we are its most vital resource.. and yes we are resources, we do the labor, we pay the budget, we provide the military.. without people there would be no nation.. I would call that a fairly vital resource.

    I did not realize that the constitution was supposed to dictate any and all government expenditures for the entire future of our nation, especially ones that are integral for its own well being. Self preservation is most certainly an applicable expense. But yeah you are right, we don't need fire stations or roads either I suppose <shrug>
    No.

    I am not anyone's resource. I can't be tapped at someone's else's whim like a gold mine or oil field. That I pay taxes to fund illegal programs is a direct result of the machine guns I'm threatened with.


    Article 1, Section 8 of the US Constitution sets specific limits on the areas Congress is authorized to interfere in.

    Amendment 10 to the same Constitution makes it perfectly clear that if it's not specifically allowed in the Constitution, the Congress does not have the authority, the individual states do.

    So, no, the Constitution does not allow the federal government to spend money on education.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No.

    I am not anyone's resource. I can't be tapped at someone's else's whim like a gold mine or oil field. That I pay taxes to fund illegal programs is a direct result of the machine guns I'm threatened with.
    You are threatened by machine guns to pay your taxes???

    Those taxes you are paying is you being tapped at someone elses whim, you ARE a resource.

    Resource:
    –noun
    1. a source of supply, support, or aid, esp. one that can be readily drawn upon when needed.
    2. resources, the collective wealth of a country or its means of producing wealth.

    You are a portion of the collective wealth of the country, and you are a means of producing wealth, both through taxes, and your contributions to the GDP and our economy. Our populace is our most vital asset, and our most vital resource.

    Sorry I know it hurts your pride to be considered a resource, but truth of the matter is.. you are.

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