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Thread: Role of government in Education

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Layla_Z View Post
    Education does not mean that. It means a basic foundation of knowledge on which to build. Of course children should be taught to think for themselves and be encouraged to continue to seek knowledge. Being well educated doesn't mean you are done and don't need to learn more.
    here is how education should be:

    teach kids English, Spanish, French, German, Latin, Hebrew, Chinese, Japanese and Arabic. teach kids Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and Computer Science. leave History and Philosophy for them to explore on their own. and of course all classes MUST BE OPTIONAL. if a student doesn't want to study anything - that is his right.
    and here is how it is right now:

    so kids you live in America - are you proud ? no ? well you should be ! why ? because it is the greatest country on earth ! why ? because we are the beacon of freedom and all that crap home of the brave. you are all free ! have you noticed ? no ? so what that you can't have sex ? so what that you can't smoke weed ? you are free ! why ? because i said so ! try and say you're not free on a test and see what grade you will get. math and science ? what about it ? you don't need it kids. why ? because we have a service economy - you will flip burgers for the rest of your life ( until the bubble pops that is then you just gonna stave to death )
    now for reasons that should be obvious the government will NEVER provide kids with the right kind of education. because the only thing ( aside from stealing money ) that a government ( any government, not just ours ) is concerned with is staying in power. government staying in power is synonymous with people staying stupid. that simple fact may be difficult for a liberal to figure out but all leaders, even the stupidest ones, understand it perfectly.

    another fact that liberals find difficult to understand is that the best way to ensure universal stupidity is education. as Stephen Hawking said "the greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" which just happens to be what education is all about - an ILLUSION of knowledge.

    Daniel Tammet also says that information is what you need to become stupid.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIDMCC2SJek"]YouTube - Embracing The Wide Sky - Daniel Tammet[/ame]
    Last edited by NEUROSPORT; 07-30-09 at 01:41 AM.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    1 Minor modification to option 2: The Government only assists students who are performing well. With that, I think it couldn't go wrong. And the State Governments would run the schools, not the Federal Government, right?
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    now for reasons that should be obvious the government will NEVER provide kids with the right kind of education. because the only thing ( aside from stealing money ) that a government ( any government, not just ours ) is concerned with is staying in power. government staying in power is synonymous with people staying stupid. that simple fact may be difficult for a liberal to figure out but all leaders, even the stupidest ones, understand it perfectly.

    another fact that liberals find difficult to understand is that the best way to ensure universal stupidity is education. as Stephen Hawking said "the greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" which just happens to be what education is all about - an ILLUSION of knowledge.
    Could you stop being hyper-partisan? It makes you look very bad....
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Could you stop being hyper-partisan? It makes you look very bad....
    He's not being hyper-partisan so much as he's being hyper-paranoid.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    He's not being hyper-partisan so much as he's being hyper-paranoid.
    I don't know about that. If you review some of the materials taught to you and your fellow students, you'd find somethings omitted or changed for purposes unknown.

    I'm not convinced that the schools are not used to further the major parties political power.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't know about that. If you review some of the materials taught to you and your fellow students, you'd find somethings omitted or changed for purposes unknown.
    If so, it is the teacher's fault entirely. Why is everyone assuming teachers don't have opinions? They do, and they try to push their opinions onto their students. Not the government, the teachers.

    I'm not convinced that the schools are not used to further the major parties political power.
    I am, and I find the idea as ridiculous as the government secretly blowing up two of its own buildings and blaming terrorists.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    If so, it is the teacher's fault entirely. Why is everyone assuming teachers don't have opinions? They do, and they try to push their opinions onto their students. Not the government, the teachers.
    Sure that is true but I believe that at the very least the curriculum has been watered down very heavily.

    You do know that our school system was originally developed after the Prussian school systems and that it is not intended to educate but instead used to train workers in basic skills and obedience.

    "Seeking to replace the controlling functions of the local aristocracy, the Prussian court attempted to instill social obedience in the citizens through indoctrination. Every individual had to become convinced, in the core of his being, that the King was just, his decisions always right, and the need for obedience paramount."

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system]Prussian education system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I am, and I find the idea as ridiculous as the government secretly blowing up two of its own buildings and blaming terrorists.
    I didn't say nor do I believe that the government has done such a thing.
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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Education became a failure when it became a tool for social engineering!
    It became about quotas regarding skin color and kids were ripped out of their
    neighborhoods and hauled to gawd only knows what part of town and were
    not taught the basic three blocks in a very important foundation. Kids had
    no history with their peers, were in strange surroundings and being easily
    an hour and a half from home, parental cooperation fell away...because many
    of them were working two jobs to feed the monster of the fed government.

    The Fed Gov should not have any say in local schools. NONE! Taxes collected
    in counties or provinces or whatever would apply, should stay exactly there.
    Cut out the waste and programs that allow parents to be irresponsible and
    the others can be responsible unhindered by social engineers.

    I drove a school bus for 3 years and there is a world out there you cannot
    imagine and it is a world that is not turning out successful young people.
    Success is not rewarded because it is all about "feeling good about yourself",
    not about learning and showing that you have done your work.

    OK, my morning rant....Im wound up now.
    Please dont lie, cheat or steal. The government doesnt
    like competition.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    If you're willing to check the history, you'll see that the Fed Govt got involved because of national defense reasons.

    Please feel free to make the case that technology and science aren't essential to our national defense these days.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Role of government in Education

    Quote Originally Posted by NEUROSPORT View Post
    did you watch the David Icke video i posted ?
    Icke!?!

    ICKE!?!

    Really? The guy who tells us that most of our elected leaders are non-human "reptilians'?
    Seriously?
    I may be wrong.

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